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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Thursday 11 January 24 15:45 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Thursday 11 January 24 08:37 GMT (UK)
Another baptism (which fits with the 1777 birth announcement):

21 June 1777 Dudley NORTH son of the Right Honourable Frederick Lord NORTH by Ann his wife at St Margaret's Westminster. (born 31 May)

So, these are the records of children to Frederick Lord NORTH and Ann that I can see:

13 Sept 1757  George Augustus
16 Feb 1760  daughter (probably Catherine)
26 Dec 1761  son (probably Francis)
8 Dec 1763  Ann
7 Feb 1766  Frederick
13 Dec 1770  Charlotte
31 May 1777  Dudley

Thank you again for your help. I hadn't seen Dudley North listed anywhere as his son but have now found Dudley's Birth / Baptism entry with Lord North and Anne Speke as his parents so have added him to my tree

Thanks again

Adrienne

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 13:50 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: garstonite on Wednesday 10 January 24 09:12 GMT (UK)
This tree has Katherine Anne North b 1760 as Frederick and Ann Speke first born - same year as the other tree has James b 1760- they married 20th May 1756  - so 4 years before a first born ??...seems a long time ??
https://gw.geneanet.org/pierrejean75?n=north&oc=&p=frederick

Yes I see what you mean about 4 years being quite a long time.
Out of interest I have seen other information sayiying there wa also a Catherine born in 1760 but who sadly drowned in an estate poll at the age of 6 but I have never found any records to substansiate this. You mentioned that there was another tree whish says James North was born in 1760 (I did see somewhere his D.O.B was 1766 so could be a mistype?) Can you give me a link to this tree.

Thank you for your input

Adrienne

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 11:21 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Wednesday 10 January 24 01:14 GMT (UK)
I see a tree on Ancestry that has James NORTH (1760-1812) as son of Lord Frederick NORTH, however ...

In the marriage they have for James in 1788 to Martha LEE, James is a clothier of Cleverly. He does not sign (signs with an "x") and one of the witnesses is a William NORTH. Of course this doesn't rule out his parentage, but I find it highly unlikely the son of Lord NORTH would not be able to sign his name. I think I would be looking for a family with a brother or other close relative William NORTH.

Thank you for your reply.
I do agree that it seems strange if a man on that position could not sign his name.
I have attached a copy of the marriage entry but there is no reference to his profession.
Is it possible you could send me a copy of the certificate.

Thank you again

Adrienne

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 11:05 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Wednesday 10 January 24 01:27 GMT (UK)
Not sure - is this the death of James NORTH in 1812:

"On Monday, aged 69, Mr James North, Schoolmaster, and Secretary to the Lying-in Charity ... of Hull"
Friday,  June 12, 1812
Publication: Stamford Mercury

So this one was born c1743.
Thank you for your reply but I don't think it is.The James North I have was born in 1760

Kind regards

Adrienne

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 10:39 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: trish1120 on Sunday 07 January 24 12:01 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat.

Cant see that they had a Son James.

Looked everywhere but the Peerage has a list of children you may have already found;

Lady Charlotte North3 d. 25 Oct 1849
Lady Anne North+4 d. 18 Jan 1832
George Augustus North, 3rd Earl of Guilford+1 b. 11 Sep 1757, d. 20 Apr 1802

Apologies Trish I forgot to tell you the marriage date which was 17/11/1788

Thank you Adrienne























Lady Catherine Anne North3 b. 16 Feb 1760, d. 6 Feb 1817
Lt.-Col. Francis North, 4th Earl of Guilford3 b. 25 Dec 1761, d. 11 Jan 1817
Frederick North, 5th Earl of Guilford3 b. 7 Feb 1766, d. 14 Oct 1827

What dates do you have for James and when/where did he Marry?

Trish :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Monday 08 January 24 20:47 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: trish1120 on Sunday 07 January 24 12:01 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat.

Cant see that they had a Son James.

Looked everywhere but the Peerage has a list of children you may have already found;

Lady Charlotte North3 d. 25 Oct 1849
Lady Anne North+4 d. 18 Jan 1832
George Augustus North, 3rd Earl of Guilford+1 b. 11 Sep 1757, d. 20 Apr 1802
Lady Catherine Anne North3 b. 16 Feb 1760, d. 6 Feb 1817
Lt.-Col. Francis North, 4th Earl of Guilford3 b. 25 Dec 1761, d. 11 Jan 1817
Frederick North, 5th Earl of Guilford3 b. 7 Feb 1766, d. 14 Oct 1827

What dates do you have for James and when/where did he Marry?

Trish :)


Hi Trish

Thank you for your response and apologies for not replying earlier but I couldn't work out how to to it !! So hope this is the right way  :) ::)

I have James North as born 1760 (1766 on one site ? mistype) and died  or buried 2/6/1812

Adrienne  :)

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How to Use RootsChat (Please don't post requests here) / Re: Where is the reply button on the topics ?
« on: Monday 08 January 24 15:33 GMT (UK)  »
If you have more than one reply can I respond to each one individually
Thank you

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Family History Beginners Board / Lord Frederick North 1732-1792
« on: Sunday 07 January 24 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to confirm if he had a son James North with his spouse Anne Speke
Thank you

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