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Ayrshire / Re: Robert Speir of Dalry, Ayrshire
« on: Friday 17 May 24 23:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shehar, no, I have not given up on this quest. I get obsessed for awhile and then get burned out and have to take a rest before I start digging again. I have, with the help of a friend I made in Kilwinning, gotten a bit more information, but I’ve been on pause for a bit.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Thursday 01 June 23 19:50 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Thursday 01 June 23 06:41 BST (UK)
Quote from: Rfarace on Wednesday 31 May 23 20:54 BST (UK)
Thank you to everyone for the information that has been posted, it has let me find ancestors another generation or two back (including another Honour (which sounds odd to modern ears, but if we can have as names Faith and Hope, why not Charity and Honour?)), giving me some firm roots in Cornwall.

While Honor/Honour is a rare forename in US, it's not particularly unusual in UK.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_(given_name)
Best example being actress Honor Blackman.

Thank you, I realized sometime after I posted that, as much as I try not to, I had expressed a rather US-centric statement. Apologies.

Perhaps interesting that in all my genealogical excavations, this is my first encounter with the name Honour, then finding two, and only in exploring a Cornish branch. Most of my maternal ancestors are found in Scotland, and it seems half of them are George or Mary. I wonder how much of that is due to Scottish naming conventions, and how much might possibly be being named after royals. (Or, starting as named after royals and being perpetuated by naming conventions.)

Re: US-centrisms, I’m finding it interesting how that is affected by my realizing that my family has more or less 120 years’ presence here, but hundreds of years of roots elsewhere. Genealogy is giving me more than the names of family.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Wednesday 31 May 23 20:54 BST (UK)  »
Thank you to everyone for the information that has been posted, it has let me find ancestors another generation or two back (including another Honour (which sounds odd to modern ears, but if we can have as names Faith and Hope, why not Charity and Honour?)), giving me some firm roots in Cornwall.

I will be heading back up the road to our town library in the next day or two to use their Ancestry subscription again. I’d like the 1851 census image for Honour mentioned above, and I’ll do some more spelunking trying to find William’s whereabouts in 1851. I had not previously considered military service.

I did stumble across one odd record on Ancestry yesterday: apparently Honour had a stay in a workhouse. I didn’t quite understand the reason, but it seemed like she was exhausted and didn’t have the resources to pay for lodging. I’m going to explore that a little further and see if there’s an entry for George as well, as I’d imagine they might have been traveling together.

Thanks again!

Edit: in case it’s of interest, the photo I’m using as my avatar is of my great-grandparents, George Stevens and Mary Fairlie, with their children George and Mary, my grandmother. This was taken in the US, and judging that my grandmother looks maybe three or four years old, probably from about 1914-15. George and Mary arrived as a newly married couple in January 1907.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Ooh, thank you so much for that, Neale! I was out running errands and it was nice to come home to find this.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 20:50 BST (UK)  »
So, I’m thinking that I should endeavor to dig deep and try harder to locate William in the 1851 census, most likely either in Cornwall or Scotland, to try to narrow down the window of his move. Complicated by spelling variations I’d never have considered. (Havens? How did you find that?)

That Double Dragon sounds yummy! (I looked it up.) I’ve not seen it here in the US, but I’ll keep my eyes open. I wonder how it compares to Belhaven Ale, which is on tap at my local Scottish pub. (Same pub which has, in less than a year, caused me to develop a taste for strongly peated Islay whisky. “Welcome to the dark side,” they said.)

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 19:50 BST (UK)  »
I ran up to the town library and checked Ancestry. They had the image for the census. For BMD records, though, just transcripts, and with less information than the other sources.

I can see why George Stevens was indexed as George Havens in the 1841 census. I never would have found that. Thank you for the help.


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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 17:13 BST (UK)  »
Hanes, thank you for that link. A quick search brought up not only the marriage record, but also Honour’s baptism record from 1792. I will explore it further. Those being transcripts, I wonder if the images are available on Ancestry.

Rena, thank you for that information, the journey seems reasonable. I would imagine overland by horsecart would take longer.

Jebber, that’s something I’ve been pondering before I dig into another line of family that supposedly came to Scotland from County Down, which is now in Northern Ireland but of course they came before the division. That’s for another day, but I wonder if that complicates the search.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 16:14 BST (UK)  »
John, can I presume you located the 1841 census and George/Honor marriage record on Ancestry? I have tried finding a way to search those records from home (I run up to our town library in order to use Ancestry), and thought I found some sources of Cornish data but I didn’t find those. I will head to the library to retrieve those records.

Also, I should have noticed the discrepancy in age given on William’s death record and that which simple math would have told me!

Re: Scotland and England being in the same country, I know some Scots that would skin me for saying that while singing “Flower of Scotland.” Scotland, England, and Wales are all separate countries comprising Great Britain, and together with Northern Ireland are the United Kingdom, which I’ve just learned is considered a “sovereign country,” and therefore there are countries within countries. Being separate but part of the whole UK, I had no idea whether there were emigration requirements or recording.

Thank you all!

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Cornwall to Scotland
« on: Monday 29 May 23 23:49 BST (UK)  »
I have a 3GG, William Stevens, ironstone miner, that moved from Redruth, Cornwall to Scotland, moving about in the Ayrshire and Dunbartonshire area (Kilmarnock, New Kilpatrick, Dalry) before 1853 when he married.

1) Would a move from Cornwall to Scotland be considered an emigration, or simply a move?

2) Would most likely have traveled over land or by sea?

I’m basically wondering if there are any records of the move, and if I can determine when the move was made.

Thank you!

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