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Completed Census Requests / Re: Bradbury 41-51-61
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 16:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hello I am descended from the Bradbury family of butchers in Knutsford.  I have looked in to Charles and Mary before and concluded that Charles died in 1828. (FindMyPast) which would seem to make sense as he didn't have any children after 1826.  Find my past shows children born between 1806 and 1826 so I wondered about the marriage to Mary Reynolds in Manchester 1804.

His date of birth in the death record is given as 1781. This would seem to fit in with the illegitimate son of Mary Bradbury born in 1782, but I am not sure how she is related to the family of butchers shown in the 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses.  For her to be related I expected her to be a daughter of Joseph Bradbury and some trees on Ancestry show a Mary born in 1761 daughter of Joseph which i shall check.
Yes Mary Breadbury daughter of Joseph butcher born 1761 

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Abraham BLACKSHAW b 1806/7 Mobberley
« on: Sunday 19 January 25 16:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again
I don't know whether you have had chance to look at Alderley 1811 census at https://ebc.byu.edu/Home   By a stroke of luck the records for Alderley in 1811 are one of the few available. Ages, but not occupations or relationships, are recorded.
Unfortunately some of the Blackshaws in Great Warford are recorded as Blackshan.  I found my James in the household of Peter Blackshan(w) which does not seem to help me further.  A record on  the same page is for William (aged 29) and Elizabeth Blackshan(w) with a Hannah Blackshan(w) (there is some doubt as to whether she is a child aged 7/12 or an adult aged 70.)  This William does not seem to match the William who married Molineux as they would have had a son William, I think. There is no mention of Abraham.  I hope this helps.

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Lancashire / Re: The KELSALL family - Stretford
« on: Thursday 02 May 24 17:13 BST (UK)  »
My 3 x great grandmother was Mary Kelsall daughter of John Kelsall (1797-1850) of Stretford and Margaret Holt 1798-1839  (although I am the only person in the world who believes she was Margaret Holt). 

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Moss Family Of Grappenhall Cheshire
« on: Wednesday 10 January 24 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas and Alice are buried in Grappenhall Thomas aged 67 in 1803.  Alice aged 88 in 1826
A son Samuel  died in 1784
There is a marriage licence on Findmypast which gives Alice's age and father.  Is Thomas not the Thomas Moss born in Grappenhall in 1737?
Samuel died in Edgley so perhaps you should be looking in Stockport for his siblings.  If you are not already subscribing to Fandmypast I suggest you do as it is by far the best for Cheshire records.  Additionally you can purchase grave records from the Family history Society of Cheshire

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Abraham BLACKSHAW b 1806/7 Mobberley
« on: Wednesday 26 April 23 17:39 BST (UK)  »
Hello
I eliminated Elizabeth Blackshaw daughter of Peter and clarinda as she was already married when James was born in 1787.  Yes Ann Blackshaw is part of the same family. She  had an illegitimate daughter (Phebe) and later married someone called Simpson. She is in the same grave as Abraham (1764 -1788)  son of Peter and Clarinda. 
Daughter Phebe (Hewitt) is in the same grave as Peter and Clarinda. 
Yes I am convinced  that the master that James was apprenticed to was Peter Blackshaw (1753 -1832) of Great Warford buried in the same grave as Peter Blackshaw buried 1753 aged 61. (born 1698)
Have you looked at the will of William Blackshaw 1733 - 1815?  I know Sinderland is about 8 or 9 miles from Mobberley, but this William was a bricklayer.  He had a son William.  He had  a daughter Betty who died at the age of 29 in 1791.  His daughter Martha married John Holt in 1798 and an Abraham Blackshaw was a witness.  Is it possible the Mobberley family and this family are linked way back. (e.g. both sons of Peter Blackshaw born 1698)?




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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Abraham BLACKSHAW b 1806/7 Mobberley
« on: Wednesday 26 April 23 12:27 BST (UK)  »
 RE:I am still not clear how your James relates to my William.
Neither am I.   I had hoped that when I found the two  marriage witness records it would help but I still haven't a clue.  There must be some connection.  James was an apprentice to Peter Blackshaw of Great Warford so could be a distant relative of the Peter and Clarinda family but knew them well enough to witness their marriages? Being the illegitimate son of Betty Blackshaw and Henry Daniel would fit the scenario of being packed off to be an apprentice for 13 years but I cannot find who Betty Blackshaw was.  (she was not the daughter of Peter and Clarinda)





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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Abraham BLACKSHAW b 1806/7 Mobberley
« on: Wednesday 26 April 23 10:05 BST (UK)  »
PS I think the William Blackshaw who married Fanny Southern could be the son of Peter Blackshaw of Alderley (William b 1754) (William buried Rostherne 1825 (born 1755)
I think the Peter Blackshaw to whom my James was apprenticed could have been another son of Peter Blackshaw of Alderley.   Do you have the memorial inscriptions for Alderley published by FHSC? They are quite useful for sorting out the Blackshaw families of Alderley.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Abraham BLACKSHAW b 1806/7 Mobberley
« on: Wednesday 26 April 23 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Re: How do you fit into the illustrious Blackshaw family line?  My 3x great grandfather was James Blackshaw 1788 - 1845
He married Sarah Brown in 1813 and the signature is identical to that on William Blackshaw's first marriage.  He also witnessed the marriage of Phebe Blackshaw.  (illegitimate daughter of Ann Blackshaw daughter of Peter, whose birth is transcribed as Phebe Loundes)
The usual birth identified is 1783 father Richard Blackshaw but I have rejected this because james had a 14 year apprenticeship to Peter Blackshaw which if it ended when he was 21 would match the 1788 birth given on his death. He was initially a brick layer but became an inn keeper.
There is an illegitimate birth for James in 1787 (james Daniel son of Henry Daniel and Betty Blackshaw)
The William Blackshaw bricklayer living in Mobberley was born in High Legh - the son of William Blackshaw and Fann Southern?

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Lancashire / Re: Bradbury Family
« on: Wednesday 26 April 23 09:22 BST (UK)  »
James Bradbury Of Beswick
Married Margaret Bridge in 1837 - father given as John Bradbury butcher
The GRO index confirms that the mother of his children was Bridge
On one census he gives his birth place as Knutsford
He changes from Engine fitter to Beerseller but seems to have the same address.
I believe he is the son of John (Whittaker) Bradbury, butcher of Knutsford born 1809


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