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The Common Room / Re: Marie Lloyd's "Blue Book"
« on: Monday 13 November 23 11:34 GMT (UK)  »
Have you tried the British Library for more info. I think they are supposed to get a copy of all books published.

I haven't tried this approach - thank you for sharing this.

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The Common Room / Re: Marie Lloyd's "Blue Book"
« on: Monday 13 November 23 11:34 GMT (UK)  »
Have you tried the British Library for more info. I think they are supposed to get a copy of all books published.

The Bodleian Library, Oxford, receive a copy of every book published in the UK

Thank you, this is very useful

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The Common Room / Re: Marie Lloyd's "Blue Book"
« on: Monday 13 November 23 11:33 GMT (UK)  »
There is this 'For Sale" advert in the South Wales Echo 3 July 1896

Wow, what a find! Thank you.

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The Common Room / Marie Lloyd's "Blue Book"
« on: Monday 13 November 23 00:43 GMT (UK)  »
Marie Lloyd was a music hall singer and performer and is said to have written a biography called "Marie Lloyd's Blue Book." One of the people on my family tree wrote the lyrics to the songs she performed.

A copy was reviewed by the periodical The Era in 1896 but a copy of the book has never been seen according to The British Music Hall book

https://www.google.com/books/edition/British_Music_Hall/ruWwBAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=marie+lloyd+%22blue+book%22&pg=PA32&printsec=frontcover

The only chance at finding information about this book is by searching the Stationer's Register.

Any other ideas for locating this missing book?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help reading document - dated 1708
« on: Saturday 20 April 19 18:09 BST (UK)  »
I thought this was an interesting find.

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/All_Results.aspx?intSearchType=12

Looks like John Duke sold the three roods of Meadow to John Gibson of London for 25 pounds.


Level: Fonds
    DEEDS OF ESTATES OF ROYAL WANSTEAD SCHOOL
Level: Series
    Deeds of property in Little Hallingbury and Sheening and Sawbridgeworth and Pishobiury, Hertfordshire
Scope and Content:
    Conveyance (Lease and Release) for £25, and Bond John Duke of Sheering, yeo., s. and h. of Henry Duke of Sheering, yeo., decd., to John Gibson of London, citizen and baker
    Parcel of meadow ground (3r.) in Millfanns, Sawbeidgeworth, co. Herts, abutting S. upon land late of Henry Carter, now of George Payne, N. upon land late of William Burton, now of Baronet Tisley, mother upon land of Sir Robert Jocelyn, W. upon land of Ralph Curtis
Dates of Creation:
    22, 23 April 1708

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help reading document - dated 1708
« on: Saturday 20 April 19 11:47 BST (UK)  »
On closer examination of what you've both transcribed...

The three roods of Meadows - I looked up this word and it is an obsolete unit of British measurement according to Wikipedia: "A rood is a...unit of linear measure between 16 1⁄2 and 24 feet (5.0–7.3 m). It is related to the German Rute and the Danish rode.[4][5] The original OED of 1914 said this sense was "now only in local use, and varying from 6 to 8 yards" (or 18 to 24 ft, "Rood", II.7).

A rood is equal to one quarter of an acre so three roods is 0.75 acres of "Meadows".

The document describes this as a common meadow called Melfanns.

It seems that in his lifetime, Henry Duke owned quite a bit of property.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help reading document - dated 1708
« on: Saturday 20 April 19 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Horsleydown and Goldie,

Thank you so much for translating and interpreting this document. Words cannot express my appreciation. There's no way I could have done this without your help.

Daniel

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help reading document - dated 1708
« on: Friday 19 April 19 02:38 BST (UK)  »
so this document has helped me to ascertain the following:

death of Henry Duke (I'd say going by the will a date of 1704)

I don't have a John Duke on my tree - now I do

Francis Madell's wife got five pounds (at least that's what it looks like)



It looks like everyone could read and write since they signed their name next to the wax seals. I don't see any x mark that would indicate anyone was illiterate.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help reading document - dated 1708
« on: Friday 19 April 19 01:56 BST (UK)  »
Part 1 continuation...


#6 and copyhold and arable meadow and [_____] and ground to the said [_____] belongings or apportioning? or thou? or [_____] released and enjoyed as [_____] [_____] or ___ber? those of buying? altogether by

#7 on [_____] [_____] four acres [_____] or [_____] [_____] ___ing? and in [_____] **eezings aforesaid and also three roods of meadow more or [_____] going freehold ___ing in a [_____] [_____] [_____] [_____] [_____] [_____]

#8 in Sawbridgeworth aforesaid while the said Henry Duke of and [_____] Edward [_____] deceased unto his son John Duke his [_____] and asigned? the only [_____] [_____] and [_____]of the said John Duke his

#9 [_____] and assigning forever upon [_____] [_____] [_____] [_____][_____] his son John Duke his heir and assigned should yearly pay oz? to be paid unto the said Sarah and her assign? for and [_____]

#10 the [_____] [_____] of [_____] [_____]all the [_____] success? of [_____] pounds of lawful money of England quarterly that is to say at the birth? of our Lord God the aunnication of the blessed virgin

#11 [_____] Saint John the baptist and ..........equal portions the first payment to[_____] at the first of the said [_____] which should [_____] of [_____] [_____] [_____] [_____]



#12 summary - something about further conditions?

#13 summary - a sum of money to his said daughter Elizabeth (the wife of the said Edward Campe) twenty pounds of lawful money of England? and to said daughter Margaret Duke

#14 summary - of lawful money of England to his said daughter Elinor Duke five? pounds of lawful money of England and to his said daughter Sarah the wife of Francis Madell

#15 summary - five pounds of lawful money of England with a clause? (upon default of payment of the said yearly sum of five pounds of the said? [_____]



I cannot read this unfortunately. My untrained eye can see various words here and there but
nothing I can write down that makes a coherent sentence.

I thank both of you for your time spent in helping me get the general gist of what is being said here.


had another bash at it but I don't understand the old fashioned language and that's getting in the way of trying to figure this out


part 3

"Sealed delivered by the above named Edward Campe and Elizabeth his wife and Francis Madell and Sarah his wife in the presence of [signatures to the right of the document]"

Can anyone tell me what the seven wax seals are for?



It's a long document and I don't mind paying one of you to translate this for me if either one of you are up for it.

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