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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help deciphering name on baptism entry - Jane, Sarah or other?
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 21:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: bethanyyd96 on Wednesday 21 May 25 20:30 BST (UK)
I'm not really sure but I think I see __abeth, the left hand side of the document is not clear at all. Could it be Elizabeth?

Bethany

Thank you Bethany - that was my first thought, but I think the close proximity of the word "the" after the name, makes it look like Elizabeth. i.e. the closeness of the word "the" makes it look like the "th" on the end of the name Elizabeth, rather a separate word.

Zoomed in I now think it might actually be "Sarah" with a bit of an ink blot on the "h" and the words underneath probably "his wife" also being too close to the line above causing the letters of the name to look different than what they are.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help deciphering name on baptism entry - Jane, Sarah or other?
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 19:56 BST (UK)  »
I'm having trouble deciphering the attached baptism entry. Sadly the entry seems to have been soiled making it very difficult to read the name. Ancestry and Findmypast decipher the daughter's name as Sarah. But there are many people who seemed to have deciphered the name as Jane in their family trees. I'll be honest, I find it difficult to make out any name! So I'm just asking for opinions on what people think the name might be, if that's not possible it would be useful to at least rule out the name Jane. 



What most people seem to agree on is the rest of the entry:

"_________ the daughter of John Bufton & Elizabeth his wife."



For those who may have access to better sources here's the ancestry record details:

Name:   Sarah Bufton
Baptism Age:   0
Record Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   1765
Baptism Date:   1765
Baptism Place:   Llanfihangel Nant Melan, Radnorshire, Wales
Father:   John
Mother:   Elizabeth

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help to decipher two lines in a will
« on: Monday 01 April 24 16:23 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: bbart on Sunday 31 March 24 05:27 BST (UK)

There are some amazing people here!

Now that they have solved it, here's a clipping for your files:


Thanks for that clipping bbart

It's actually thrown a bit of a spanner in the works because I thought Anne Morgan's (née Williams) father was one of the other famous brothers (David) of Swyddffynnon/Ystradmeurig - not John.

The John Williams of Ystradmeurig, as mentioned in the newspaper clip, has a bio on the Welsh Biography website which lists his children: https://biography.wales/article/s-WILL-JOH-1745 - and Anne isn't one.

Might have to do a bit more research! Thanks again.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help to decipher two lines in a will
« on: Friday 29 March 24 20:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Zefiro, MollyC, Raybistre & JenB!

Very helpful, I didn't expect anyone to get the Welsh house name.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help to decipher two lines in a will
« on: Friday 29 March 24 19:58 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to establish the relationship of the Morgans named in the attached will to the person who made the will (Thomas Williams). I believe the Morgans might be related to his wife Margaret, but can't be sure.

Here are the lines. I need help with filling in the blanks.

"...I give and bequeath to and among the ____ of my ____ _____ Anne Morgan the widow of the late Reverend Richard Morgan of _________ ______ _____ the sum..."


Thanks in advance for any help you're able to provide.



grandmaster

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Gloucestershire / Re: Need help transcribing a place in Gloucestershire
« on: Saturday 15 April 23 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 April 23 19:57 BST (UK)
In '61 Joseph is in Blaenavon. Could this be him in 1856?
Welsh Newspapers
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3396764/3396766/3"joseph%20giles"

Bottom of column 1

Thanks hanes teulu. I have come across that before, it's something I couldn't rule in or out. He's living in Trevethin at the time which isn't too far away, so it could be, although the occupations don't match. I did consider whether criminality is the reason I couldn't find him in the 1841 or 1851 census.

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Gloucestershire / Re: Need help transcribing a place in Gloucestershire
« on: Saturday 15 April 23 19:50 BST (UK)  »
One thing I did look into was Joseph Giles' (Senior) death to get an idea of his age. I know he died before 1858 when he's listed as deceased on his son Joseph's marriage certificate. There's only two people called Joseph Giles in the civil register who died in Gloucestershire before 1858 - one an infant and another too young to be the father. So either the father died somewhere else or before 1837 when his son must have been a child or teenager. If it's the latter then his son would obviously not be living with his father in the 1841 or 1851 censuses which I can't locate him in.


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Gloucestershire / Re: Need help transcribing a place in Gloucestershire
« on: Saturday 15 April 23 19:30 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for your help so far.

Quote from: QueenoftheWest on Saturday 15 April 23 15:37 BST (UK)
Quote from: maddys52 on Saturday 15 April 23 03:43 BST (UK)
I don't seem to be able to find the censuses you included snips of, what are the census references please? Also, who did he marry, and where, extra information could be helpful to find him earlier.  :D

1861 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7T3-1QW

Other censuses are linked to Joseph's FamilySearch profile:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/G3Q8-L98

Marriage certificate gives his father's occupation as 'deceased', unfortunately.

Queenie  :)

Yes the census record QueenoftheWest posted is my Joseph Giles. He married Maria Cox in 1858 in Trevethin, Monmouthshire, eventually moving to Blaenavon in the same county. Maria Cox is from Bristol and it's quite possible Joseph may have lived in Bristol for a period and met her there. And yes the marriage certificate doesn't give the father's occupation, it does just say deceased.

Quote from: Capetown on Saturday 15 April 23 09:48 BST (UK)
?

This may be an earlier generation, as Christian names often run in families, and Tewkesbury is only about 6 miles from Barrow and the River Severn and the River Avon meet, the Severn flowing down from Wales and the Avon on its way from Stratford.

From the Forest of Dean website

Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730 - 1823


15 December 1768

Joseph GILES - Batchelor
occupation: Framework Knitter
residence: Tewkesbury

Sarah JONES - Spinster
residence: Tewkesbury

Marriage by Bonds
He signs
Witness 1: Thomas GILES a Framework Knitter of Tewkesbury

---

The Licence gives more information

Joseph GILES is aged 24
Sarah JONES is 23

To Marry at Tewkesbury, sworn before H JONES


Thanks for that Capetown. That's encouraging to see that people with the surname Giles are living in that area, especially with the name Joseph and as you say it could well be ancestors or relations. It's something to look into.

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Gloucestershire / Re: Need help transcribing a place in Gloucestershire
« on: Friday 14 April 23 22:09 BST (UK)  »
His name is Joseph Giles. He was born sometime between 1821-1834. He gives a variety of dates for his birth, probably because his wife was much younger, the most common date he gives is 1829. On his marriage certificate his father's name is also Joseph Giles. I can't seem to find him on the 1841 or 1851 census either. Any help would be appreciated.

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