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Cork / Re: Donavans in Passage West
« on: Monday 08 May 23 23:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello it may be worth having a look at www.irishgenealogy.ie for Church Records (Clonakilty Diocese Cork & Ross) also on this site Civil Records which are from 1864 Births Marriages Deaths.

Thanks, used this site to find births of two oldest children in 1855, 1856 in Passage West but have not found the marriage details as yet.

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Cork / Re: Donavans in Passage West
« on: Monday 08 May 23 22:55 BST (UK)  »
Croeso cynnes i Rootschat.

Reporting the local licensing sessions -

Cork Constitution, 31 Dec 1862
"The Grand Jury then returned and application for spirit licences were proceeded with ...; Bridget Donovan, Passage West - rejected"

Interesting bit of information, thanks for that. I will try and find it, Cheers

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Cork / Donavans in Passage West
« on: Sunday 19 March 23 21:21 GMT (UK)  »
Nos waith dda o Wrecsam / Good Evening from Wrexham.

My grandfather was born in Passage West, County Cork back in 1893. I have the birth certificate showing that his mother registered the birth (his father was at sea) and that his mother was Katie (or Kate) McKenzie formerly Donovan. The residence is shown as Ferry Point, Passage.

My grandfathers parents Donald McKenzie and Kate Donovan married on 18 November 1891 at the Roman Catholic Chapel in Passage West. Kate is shown as a servant living in Passage West and the Father is John Donovan a shipwright. I would assume he was working in the shipyards in Passage rather that Cobh.

The marriage witness for Kate was Bridget Donovan, her sister, who is present in Cardiff as a boarder in 1901 living with Kate & Donald. Also present in 1901 in Cardiff was a younger brother Daniel Donovan (a carpenter) who would return to Cork.

By 1901 it would seem that John Donovan had died as the 1901 Irish Census shows her mother Bridget Donovan (widow, age 64, cannot read but speaks Irish & English) living with a younger sister Hannah Donovan (age 20, occupation Char-woman) living at Back Street, Passage West. Both shown as Roman Catholic.

My Grandfather spent some summers living with family in Cork at 13 Batchelors Quay in the city. Some of the family are still living there in 1911, Daniel Donovan (age 30, RC, Carpenter), sister Hannah Donovan (age 32, RC, no occupation given) another sister Mary Prior or Drain (writing unclear) a widow after 4 years of marriage, age 40 and a cook.

Family lore was that Daniel went off to South America building railway bridges (he helped construct bridges in Cardiff).

Kate Donovan appears to have been baptised in the RC church in Passage on 22 April 1855 and her mothers maiden name is recorded as Bridget Murphy. Bridget would likely have been 19-21 yrs at the time. A younger brother John Donovan may have been baptised on 28 December 1856 as Bridget Murphy and John Donovan are shown as the parents.

It is not clear where John Donovan and Bridget Murphy were married, it should be prior to 1855, or were they were born. I suspect as the area was industrialising and drawing people in that they may have originated further west in the County of Cork.

Having done the Ancestry DNA it is apparent that I have links with West Cork and some distant Irish American cousins appear most with little in the way of family trees but there is a faint suggestion that any link maybe via a Bartholomew Donovan born 1796 Clonakilty, died 1866 (?) although nothing convincing.

Any suggestions on how or where to deepen the information on this part of the family?

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Cork / Re: O'Donovan marriage triangle
« on: Sunday 12 March 23 23:11 GMT (UK)  »
Nos waith dda o Gogledd Gymru/  Good evening from North Wales. I am also searching out family in County Cork before my relatives moved to Cardiff, Donovans in Passage West although I suspect they came from the South West and moved to work in the ship yards that were in the area. I will post seperately on that shortly but want to check my facts first. Best of luck with your search.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Pembery/Pembrey Family Cardiff
« on: Saturday 11 March 23 00:39 GMT (UK)  »
Harriet Maud Roselle Williams was sister to my great grandmother born in Cardiff 21 Jan 1874. Parents Thomas J Williams 1847 -1911, born in Pembrokeshire, and Jane Thomas 1845 - 1924, born in Vale of Glamorgan. She had a couple of interesting relatives, her brother Daniel John Williams who was a publican and horse breaker in Cowbridge and ran the Lamb & Flag pub in Wick (Vale of Glamorgan). The other interesting character is a nephew, son of her brother Benjamin, Hubert H Williams 1895 - 2002. He was the last surviving member of the Royal Flying Corp of WWI. Chapter in book "Wales and the First Air War 1914-1918" , page 315-317 "The last airman of the great war" he also appeared in a series World War One in Colour  https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3611891/

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