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Lancashire / Re: Mary Bartholomay of Bolton?
« on: Thursday 07 August 25 17:46 BST (UK) »
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Lancashire / Mary Bartholomay of Bolton?
« on: Wednesday 06 August 25 19:43 BST (UK) »
Hi all, I am again coming for pointers about my elusive ggf's even more elusive ancestry 
I have come to a brick wall trying to find anything about my 5x ggm, Mary Bartholomay. I only have her marriage to Jonathan Hurst (1786-1850) in Leigh, Lancashire, England, on 19 Aug 1807 (FHL 1885651 p112) and the fact that she had a daughter, Mary Hurst (b. 24 Sep 1820 Deane, Lancashire, England-Dec 1861).
I would love to find out who her parents and further relatives were, I was intrigued by her maiden name
Thank you in advance,
SapereAude
I have come to a brick wall trying to find anything about my 5x ggm, Mary Bartholomay. I only have her marriage to Jonathan Hurst (1786-1850) in Leigh, Lancashire, England, on 19 Aug 1807 (FHL 1885651 p112) and the fact that she had a daughter, Mary Hurst (b. 24 Sep 1820 Deane, Lancashire, England-Dec 1861).
I would love to find out who her parents and further relatives were, I was intrigued by her maiden name
Thank you in advance,
SapereAude
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Galway / Re: John Curley of Tuam Galway
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 19:22 BST (UK) »Now- there is a record 1841/51 census search forms.Thank you again heywood
Sadly, just ‘Ireland’
John Corless
Applicant
Father’s Name James Corless
Mother’s Name Catherine Brien
Residence Year 1851
Residence Place Ireland
Street Address No 3 Day Room, Union Workhouse, Oldham
So, John Corless of Oldham was trying to establish his origins - I think it may be for a pension.
It doesn’t seem to be confirmed but is annotated ‘wait to check for further correspondence’.
Would this fit with your John?
I remember coming across this record a while ago but I couldn't link it to anyone then as I didn't have these names.
I will have a closer look at what you have found when I have some spare time.
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Galway / Re: John Curley of Tuam Galway
« on: Wednesday 25 September 24 16:35 BST (UK) »Yes, I wondered the same.
It would be good to see father’s name, occupation and witnesses. I do hope it helps.
Hello again, I have received their marriage cert and John's father is James Corless, a farm labourer. The witnesses are James and Ellen Ridyard.
Thank you
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Galway / Re: John Curley of Tuam Galway
« on: Sunday 11 August 24 13:04 BST (UK) »
Before I saw yours, I was about to post that there was another John Curley born abt. 1855 in Galway, living in Oldham in 1881 (4071/119/74) and 1901 (5381/108/20), who was married to Ellen Newall.
So could they be relatives as Thomas Curley was living with John and Catharine in 1891? Cousins of some sort maybe?
I will order the Roach/Corless marriage cert, which should give more info on his father.
So could they be relatives as Thomas Curley was living with John and Catharine in 1891? Cousins of some sort maybe?
I will order the Roach/Corless marriage cert, which should give more info on his father.
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Galway / Re: John Curley of Tuam Galway
« on: Saturday 10 August 24 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hello all, thank you so much,
John and Catharine Curley/Corless's children in birth order are Catharine, John, James, Mary, Ellen, Richard, Fanny, Esther, Joseph, Edward and George (I haven't found any more in baptisms etc.). It seems they were quite loose about the naming pattern.
I have looked into the parents scenario and have found a Thomas and Bridget Curley (transcribed as Carley) born in Ireland, in the 1861 census aged 30 and 31 as visitors in Clay Lane, Derbyshire (seems to be a very Irish area) with children John (7), who was born in Ireland, Thomas (4), born in Derbyshire and Patrick (1 mo), also born in Derbyshire. (2525/90/8)
They fit everything, except that in the 1881 census heywood found, Patrick was listed as born in Oldham.
Thanks again for your time and research,
SapereAude
It would be useful if you could supply the childrens names in birth order, including the names of those who may have died as infants.
John and Catharine Curley/Corless's children in birth order are Catharine, John, James, Mary, Ellen, Richard, Fanny, Esther, Joseph, Edward and George (I haven't found any more in baptisms etc.). It seems they were quite loose about the naming pattern.
Under the parents scenario perhaps John came over with his parents earlier than the date of 1874 shortly before the birth of the first child in 1874 with Catharine Roach/Roche. In fact the couple may have married in march quarter 1871 and appear in the 1871 census in 1871. (see heywood's research) I would ponder that there may be earlier children than 1874. I would ponder that if Thomas and Bridget are the parents of John that he may have come with them to England as a small boy before the birth of Patrick or possibly that even that he was also born in England?
Finding out the relationship between Thomas and Bridget to John might yield more results initially
I have looked into the parents scenario and have found a Thomas and Bridget Curley (transcribed as Carley) born in Ireland, in the 1861 census aged 30 and 31 as visitors in Clay Lane, Derbyshire (seems to be a very Irish area) with children John (7), who was born in Ireland, Thomas (4), born in Derbyshire and Patrick (1 mo), also born in Derbyshire. (2525/90/8)
They fit everything, except that in the 1881 census heywood found, Patrick was listed as born in Oldham.
Thanks again for your time and research
,SapereAude
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Galway / John Curley of Tuam Galway
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
I have been attempting to research my Irish 3x ggf, John Curley, born in Tuam, Galway in abt. 1856 and have hit a brick wall as to his life before he emigrated to England at some point before 1874, (birth of his first child). He married Catharine Roach(e) (born in abt. 1855 in Liverpool to Irish parents Richard (b. abt 1826) and Catherine MNU (b. abt 1824)), and they had eleven children. I have traced him, his children, his wife and his wife's parents/siblings around England but I can't find anything about John, or Catharine's parents, before they emigrated... I was wondering if anyone could help me?
(Once in England, I think some Curleys changed their name to Corless and back, it all seems quite complicated...)
It is the family researched in this rather old post: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t14/ (I wish I had found this post before I started researching this side; it would have saved me many hours of struggling!)
Thank you in advance for your time and research:)
SapereAude
PS: There is a vague idea of America in family lore around this branch, also said by the author of the post I pasted, could this be a possibility?
I have been attempting to research my Irish 3x ggf, John Curley, born in Tuam, Galway in abt. 1856 and have hit a brick wall as to his life before he emigrated to England at some point before 1874, (birth of his first child). He married Catharine Roach(e) (born in abt. 1855 in Liverpool to Irish parents Richard (b. abt 1826) and Catherine MNU (b. abt 1824)), and they had eleven children. I have traced him, his children, his wife and his wife's parents/siblings around England but I can't find anything about John, or Catharine's parents, before they emigrated... I was wondering if anyone could help me?
(Once in England, I think some Curleys changed their name to Corless and back, it all seems quite complicated...)
It is the family researched in this rather old post: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t14/ (I wish I had found this post before I started researching this side; it would have saved me many hours of struggling!)
Thank you in advance for your time and research:)
SapereAude
PS: There is a vague idea of America in family lore around this branch, also said by the author of the post I pasted, could this be a possibility?
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The Common Room / Re: RC and C of E marriage 1904
« on: Sunday 03 September 23 09:49 BST (UK) »
How interesting, thanks. I don't know for sure what religion their children were brought up in, but I have found potential confirmation records for them (but there were a few with the same name in the area). Something that caught my eye and would prove they were RC is that my ggf's potential confirmation name was Patrick, and I know he adopted that as a middle name at some point in his life. How common was/is it to use confirmation name as middle name?
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What surname is this?
« on: Saturday 02 September 23 21:31 BST (UK) »
Looks like Tinley to me as the N looks the same as in Ann, but could be Turley...