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Ireland / Are these 2 Nicholas Martins the same person?
« on: Saturday 27 December 25 14:49 GMT (UK)  »
I have found a possible record for my ancestor in a 1821 census copy. My ancestor's name is Bryan Kiernan, and the only confirmed records I have of him are two court records from Dunshaughlin, where he is listed alongside his presumed son, Hugh. Hugh never married and was listed as a sponsor for baptisms. Hugh was most likely the son who took care of Bryan.

In the 1821 census copy, Bryan is listed with his wife Mary, his nephew Nicholas Martin, and Nicholas's wife Mary. This was in the townland of Tullaghanogue, between Trim and Athboy. There are also servants listed, and they owned 20 acres, so this Bryan Kiernan was most likely above peasantry status.

As I have been unable to find any contemporary records of Bryan Kiernan that could explain his movement to Dunboyne parish, I have decided to focus on the nephew listed. Since Nicholas Martin is Bryan's nephew, Nicholas must have been born to a mother whose maiden name was Kiernan. As he was listed as 26 years old, this would mean he was born circa 1795.

I searched for any variants of the surname (matching at least krn) and found one singular match: a Nicholas Martin born to parents James Martin and Mary Kiernan (Kearney), baptized in Rush, Dublin, on September 21, 1791. If they are the same person, there is an age discrepancy to consider. The Irish census was taken around May 28, 1821, and if his baptism took place within a week of his birth, he would have been 29 years old—which is 3 years off from the census age. I'm not sure what to make of this. Is it possible the census taker estimated the year and based the age on that estimate?

The Nicholas Martin listed in the 1821 census also appears in the Tithe Applotment Books in Stonestown for the year 1824, a townland adjacent to where the 1821 census was recorded. After this, he completely disappears from records.

Now, the other Nicholas Martin I presume may be a match appears in Ratoath, where a son named Bernard was born to Nicholas Martin and Mary King, baptized on September 14, 1825. That is the only record I was able to locate where Nicholas Martin has a wife named Mary. I found a forum post here (https://irelandxo.com/ireland/cavan/message-board/bernard-martin-james-martin) where it was discussed that possibly other baptisms were recorded under the mother's name as Catherine or Bridget, but these could also be other couples.

This Nicholas Martin is listed as an occupier in the townland of Flemingtown, holding land under the landlord William Parkinson Ruxton, Esq., for the year 1825. This Nicholas Martin later died in 1866 and left a will in which a son named John is mentioned.

My question is: are these two Nicholas Martins the same person? Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: John shaw occupation
« on: Saturday 27 December 25 04:46 GMT (UK)  »
It reads "Drawer in Pits".

In the mining industry, a "drawer" was a person, often a boy or young man, who dragged or pushed tubs of coal from the working face to the bottom of the mine shaft.

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The Common Room / Re: Baptism record
« on: Thursday 25 December 25 23:39 GMT (UK)  »
For Church of England records, you should contact the Durham County Record Office (now known as 'The Story'), which acts as the official repository for the Diocese of Durham and holds the parish registers for Jarrow. If you were baptized Catholic, you must instead contact the Archives Department of the Diocese of Hexham and Newcastle, as they maintain their own separate sacramental records. Since 1963 is relatively recent, if the specific register has not yet been deposited in these archives, you will need to contact the individual churches in Jarrow directly to check the physical books still held on-site.

Hope that helps

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Scotland / Re: Bond and disposition
« on: Thursday 25 December 25 12:43 GMT (UK)  »
In your case, a “bond and disposition in security” means security for an unpaid balance, not the full price.

It was the pre‑1970 Scottish equivalent of a mortgage:
  • The buyer owned the property
  • The creditor held a real security for a fixed debt*

*Usually, purchase money was borrowed from the seller or a lender.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1842 Death certificate
« on: Thursday 25 December 25 07:28 GMT (UK)  »
Pretty sure of it:

Row No: 311
When and where died: Fifth of May 1842 New Mills Manafon
Name and surname: Thomas Tudor
Sex: Male
Age: 50 Years
Rank or Profession: Labourer
Cause of Death: Fistula
Signature, description, and residence of informant: The Mark X of Alice Tudor Present at the Death New Mills Manafon
When registered: Seventh of May 1842
Signature of registrar: Evan Jones Registra

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..however the correct number plate was GLN 440!

Not the same person, but this is my restoration. I colorized it and had to invent some details in very unclear areas, such as the feet (shoes) and the car (including the license plate, as requested). Hopefully it’s good (;


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