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Hi all , my 2nd great grandad was Samuel Tugwell (1861- died in 1923 Poplar ) His wife was Elizabeth Sarah Bunce.

His occupation was a coal porter working at the dockyards. Im trying to find out anymore information on him. I cannot seem to trace any form of a probate either.

Any ideas where I can look more up on his work life ? Probate? Thank you

Quote from: Emzunicorn01 on Wednesday 26 February 25 17:44 GMT (UK)

Can't find a baptism for Caroline dean 1804

I haven't found anything either....Caroline, John D & Eliza Ann BEDFORD are proving elusive on the 1851 census  No births, deaths or marriages entries found 

I took a look at the marriages online for William & Dinah children
Horace & Charlotte BAILEY

Horace 21 occ coal dealer married 1848 London
father William  Bailey, coal merchant,
one wit Charlotte Bailey

Charlotte married 1851
father William Bailey occ coal merchant
The witnesses to this marriage were a
David BECKFORD & Caroline BAILEY

Looks as if they may have married 1864

Dec 1864 Bromley 2a 466
David BECKFORD
Caroline BAILEY
Only the transcript is available on Anc*y they married 28 Dec 1864
Caroline age 39 (bc1825)  William Bailey

Brought forward the 1861 census posted previously

1861c Piece   395 Folio   27 Page number   5
Willm BAILEY 64 Head
Dinah 60 Wife
Caroline BEDFORD 55 Sister Chiselhurst Kent
John D 18 Son
Eliza Ann 11 Daughter

Not sure what to make of these entries 
Are they connected to Caroline from 1861 census? 
Ages are way out from 1861 census???

1851 census
Caroline BECKFORD ? Wife 26 laundress Kent Chislehurst
JOHN son 1 Kent Deptford
Edited - Is  Caroline above the daughter born to William & Dinah Bailey born c1825?

JOHN David Blundon Backford
Baptism 4 Nov 1849 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman of the oil coke mills Mother Caroline Abode Frances Street

Mar 1850 
Beckford    John David Blunden        Greenwich    5   221

BECKFORD, JOHN  DAVID BLUNDEN   mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 05  Page 221   

John David BECKFORD married 6 Oct 1872 Eliza Amelia BRYAN,
father David Dec’d - image on Anc*y

Eliza Hannah BECKFORD
Baptism   13 Feb 1853 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman in linseed & oil coke works Mother Caroline
Abode Church St

Mar 1853  
Beckford    Eliza Hannah Dean        Greenwich    1d   493    
Beckford    Eliza Hannah Dian        Greenwich    1d   493

BECKFORD, ELIZA  HANNAH DEAN   mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 493   

Eliza Hannah Dean BECKFORD age 18 married 9 Oct 1870 Bromley, Kent
Father David , Spouse George Albert Webb

BECKFORD, WILLIAM  THOMAS SKINNER   mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 703

William J BECKFORD Age 12 Birth    8 Oct 1866
Admission 11 Nov 1878 School   Cubitt Town School
Guardian   Stephen Peacock, 11 Barque Street

William BECKFORD Age   14
Relationship to Head   Step Son
Where born   Deptford, Surrey
Street Address   11 Barque St
Occupation   Ropemaker
1881c Piece   512 Folio   70 Page number   3
Steven Peacock   68   Head
Caroline 45 (b1836) Chislehurst Kent Wife
Eliza WEBB    24   Step Daughter
Florence Webb   7   Granddaughter. >>>>> mn BECKFORD (GRO indexes)
plus lodger & visitor

Caroline BECKFORD age 39 married Stephen PEACOCK age 54 17 Aug 1873 Bromley, Kent Father William BAILEY - transcript only

Thank you so much for your help xx

Wondering about naming patterns of William & Dinah/Diana’s children 

Are these all the children bpt Chislehurst Kent

Martin Bailey   13 Sep 1838   
Charles Bailey   27 Jul 1834   
Charlotte Bayley 22 Apr 1832
Horace Bailey   12 Apr 1829
Caroline Bailey   30 Oct 1825
Walter George Bailey   20 Apr 1823   

1851 census William Bailey listed as Thos Wm Bailey 54 born Kent, coal merchant, Dinah 50 Chislehurst, Stephen Kensie s-i-l , their daughter Charlott 22 Chislehurst

Is this Dinah's baptism?

Diana Dean
Birth 16 Jan 1802
Christening 14 Feb 1802 Chislehurst, Kent
Father Thomas Dean Mother   Elisabeth

There are also these Chislehurst baptisms same parents names

Elizabeth Dean   29 Jan 1797      
James Dean   17 Jun 1787   
Henry Dean   18 Sep 1791   
Samuel Dean   12 Jan 1794

Hi yes this all them !

Hi all

I have a brick wall for William Bailey/Bayley
He is my 4th Great Grandad born around 1796 (chistlehurst or deptford) died 1872 Greenwich Union.  I am looking for his family and his parents.

 I have found him living with his sister Caroline in 1861. His sister Caroline is a widow under the surname of BEDFORD. It looks like she has two children called John and Eliza Ann. I cannot find them under her maiden name so i think they was children who belonged to her husband. I cannot find a marriage cert between Caroline in her maiden name to Bedford. I think she was married before she married the Bedford man. I am struggling to find this ..
 
William Marries Diana Dean  1822 • Bromley, Kent...
In 1841 he is living in Chistlehearst Kent with Diana and his family. Surname was spelt Bayley job occupation Ag Lab. They have 5 children including Charlotte Bailey who is my 3rd great nan ...
all born in deptford ...

i would appricate any help...Thank you so much

The parents of these 2 boys are (James)JOSEPH Gorman and Eliza Walker, married jq 1896. By 1901 parents are with 2 daughters Annie 1896 & Eliza E 1901. By 1911 the 2 boys are in a school in St Charles School, Weald Road Brentwood Essex, South Weald, Essex, England.

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added, 1921 are Eliza, Annie, Eliza, & William--mother a widow, no George.

Thank you . I have noticed the lads being placed in and out of union workhouses too . Did they marry ? Thank you