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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« on: Sunday 29 June 25 22:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Sean.  I had found Margaret before, but can’t seem to find her brother, James, anywhere.
Thomas Matthew Cullen 1817 St Pancras
Elizabeth Cullen 1820–1824 St Pancras
Charlotte Cullen 1823 St Pancras
James Cullen ?
Margaret Cullen 1830 Leamington - 1831 St Pancras
William Cullen 1838 Camden

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Charlotte Alice BUTLER's birth/parents (Liverpool, 1793-ish)
« on: Saturday 28 June 25 17:25 BST (UK)  »
Very late to respond to this, but I am also descended from Charlotte Alice Butler and her son William Cullen.  My link is through William's daughter, Lottie Fannie Cullen, then her daughter Lottie May Moore, her son Edward Moore Beckett, and his daughter Dorothy Margaret Beckett, who was my mother.

With regard to the original query, I am also looking for this information.  I have a note written by my grandmother (wife to Edward Moore Beckett), who copied this from an earlier note which I believe was written by Lottie May Moore.

"Margaret Kitchin, whose people were shipbuilders of Liverpool married 1) Mr Butler, a ship builder, the year the King of France was beheaded (1793)and had one child Alice Charlotte Butler born Apr 9th 1793.  Later Margaret Butler, now widowed, went to Ireland as housekeeper to the Duke of Rutland and married Mr Maguire, the butler.  They had seven daughters, all called Margaret, who died in infancy.  She died in Leamington hospital through burns from a ***** of beeswax and boiling oil boiling over.  Her husband died while she was in hospital.
The first daughter, Alice, married Thomas Cullen at St Martin in the Fields in 1816.  She had four children.  She separated from her husband and left one boy in London and went with her half-sister Eleanor Maguire to Leamington with Charlotte b 1823, James and Margaret and later on William b 1838 at either Leamington or Cheltenham (William later went to Aldburgh and became a pastry cook of note).  The children were put out to nurse and mother went as a nursemaid.


Not sure how much of this can be proved...I do have two additional children for Alice, Elizabeth and Charlotte, but both of them died as young children, so that is probably why they were missed out.  Alice's sister Eleanor exists as she was a witness at Alice's wedding, but beyond that I've struggled to find anything else to prove the rest of the story.

Did you ever find anything more about Alice, and how are we related, would love to know more if you are still researching.

PS I am very confident that William is not a son of Thomas as per the comments in the thread so if you know more...

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Westmorland / Re: Cookson Family of Applethwaite, Undermillbeck and Troutbeck
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 23:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi Susan,
Firstly, thank you so much for pointing me in the direction of the clue I missed!  I read that George Cookson was 35 years old, not that he was 35 years and upwards, this new idea makes a lot of other things fall into place now.  I had been going round in circles wondering why I couldn't find a baptism for him, and setting him up with a possible father who would only have been around 15 at the time of his birth.  Now that I realise that there is just the one George Cookson, born around 1726, and who almost certainly was married twice, it makes much more sense.  I also have his father as Robert, who also seems to have been married twice, firstly to Elisabeth, and then, in his old age, to Jennet Dixon.  So far I've not got any further back than that, but I was wondering if there are any more clues in the two wills you mentioned.  Is there any property mentioned in both wills which would confirm the link between Robert and George?
You are correct in you research for George's son Robert, it is him who married Nancy Paulden Hardy  in 1819.  The mention of Elleray in Westmoreland in relation to Robert had eluded me for many years, as I could find no mention of the place at all.  It was only a few months ago that I searched again and Google came up with Elleray Bank, and I checked out the baptisms in the area and discovered one for Robert at just the right time.  Since then I've had DNA matches come up with other descendants of George and Jane, so I feel confident in the link now.
For many years I have had a black and white photograph of a painting of four young girls, with a scribbled note that these were "The Cookson sisters - At the back Mrs Pease, then after Mrs Pickford, on the left Mrs Lillie, On the right Mrs Athill, sitting, aged 2/3, Mrs Hutchinson".  I had always known that the young girl, Mary Ann Cookson married my 2x great grandfather, William Henry Heap Hutchinson, but it took me a while to find names for her three sisters, Martha, Jane, and Sarah, and their husbands.  Sadly, their father, Robert, had died a few months before Mary Ann was born.  Robert had run what appears to have been a successful coaching business in Manchester for around 20 years.
I'd be interested to learn where you fit into the Cookson family and work our how we are related, and maybe see if we can work together to take the family back a bit further.
Best wishes, Nicola

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Westmorland / Re: Cookson Family of Applethwaite, Undermillbeck and Troutbeck
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 21:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi Susan,
Fascinated to find this thread as I’m descended from George Cookson and Jane Martin through their son, Robert.
I’m a bit confused about your idea of George having been married before.  The marriage to Jane was in 1776 and George was 35 at that time, making him born around 1741, so Elizabeth in 1744 and Ann in 1747 are possibly his sisters, rather than daughters.  I’ve not managed to find any likely baptism for George so wondered if you’ve had any luck in finding his parents.

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