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Travelling People / Re: Lane Family
« on: Saturday 30 September 23 10:22 BST (UK)  »
Actually, I remember records for a Gardiner family in Wellington Heath, Ledbury, when looking at the censuses a good while ago. I can't atest for sure their ethnicity, but mine and many others were certainly Romany families working as ag labourers around the Herefordshire Hop Yards. I'm told by local historians that they came to the area likely as Quarryworkers or at least squatting around there and were giving the opportunity to permantely settle by the lords of the land, because they had become vital to the areas labourforce.

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Travelling People / Re: Lane Family
« on: Friday 07 July 23 00:42 BST (UK)  »
I'm from Lane stock, they were based around Ledbury, herefordshire. They settled early, they and a few families squatting on Wellington Heath near Ledbury got the right to permantley, settle. They turned their place into a cider making inn and mobile grocers. They used to take in other travellers, musicians and itinerant workers, mostly navvies, who they provided provisions for. They later moved north (county Durham, North Yorkshire) as gardners/ag labourers/railway labourers and show people. When i got in touch with some local historians they told me that the inn in Wellington Heath, Ledbury became a laundry, then a house which some Clarkes were living, circa 1960s. Not sure if this is a coincidence or not, but might help.

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Durham / Re: Why all these Spanish families in Sedgefield in the mid 1600s.
« on: Friday 14 April 23 14:41 BST (UK)  »
What you should be looking at is Kirk Merrington, not far from Sedgefield in and around the early 1700s.

There are 100s of records for Spanish born people in the area and it's got nothing to do with the Armada.

These people were Calè, spanish-gypsies. I am a descendent of this wave of migration, recently confirmed through genealogy teamwork - thanks to my DNA relative in Spain.

Turns out thousands of spanish-gypsy refugees arrived on British Shores at this time, escaping the inquisition. I don't know, but I think that the lords of the mannor around Spenneymoor, the Salvin's were an uber catholic family and likely granted their Spanish counterparts refuge.

There was another cluster of these families around Wilton, Somerset. They eventually married in with already existing Romanichal families in the UK, in particular County Durham.

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The Common Room / Re: Can Anyone Help Crestina Yascione (Cristina Fascione)
« on: Thursday 20 October 22 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Hey everyone,
I might be a bit late to this chat, but I'm researching the biological parents of my great-grandmother. They were Italian and I'm told through family hearsay that the mother was called Cristina. I'm interested to know more about this Cristina Fascione, living in York with the Martino family in 1891. My great-grandmother's birth was registered in Whitby in 1891, however being adopted that date and place of birth could be different.
My question is that on later documents for this family Cristina disapears, but there is a Medestina (likely Modestina) two years younger who marries one of the Martino boys. Not sure if it's the same person - could be, if not, what happened to Cristina? Could she be my great-grandmother's mother? i.e got pregnant and got sent away to have the baby in secret, died in child birth and the baby was kept by a benevolent host family - that's my hypothesis.
I've managed through DNA matches to narrow down the father to a Luigi Di Placido who would have been the same age and from the same village in Italy, though on the 1891 census he is recorded in Edinburgh with his parents, however I've been told by some of his parents' living descendents that he went down to Newcastle then further south, after that there's no trace of him either.
If anyone can shed some light on this it would be a great help.

James

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