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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Monday 06 October 25 16:44 BST (UK) »
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Friday 03 October 25 12:42 BST (UK) »
Hi, here's James' baptism, contrast increased. Aug 12th 1832. Can't make it all out: "Peter Allan in Aberchirder had a son ?in fornication by Margt Cowe, baptism 
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Friday 03 October 25 12:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone (I've been away for a few days). Re: Elspet, a James Cowe and Margaret McIntosh were Margaret Cowe's parents, she was b. c. 1812, and (we assume) m. Peter Allan. So Elspet might be her grandmother.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Monday 22 September 25 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi William, thanks for that,
from censuses there is a Jane Allan dau. of Peter & Margaret, b. 1834. In 1851 census she was a servant. I haven't followed the children up, but I think Peter Allan (1st child that I've found) jnr died youngish (b. 1836). Jane is possibly listed as Jean Allan in the 1841 census (the transcript doesn't have the relationship to Peter & Margaret). From 1841-71 censuses I have the children as Peter, Ann, James, Jane, David, Alexander, Barbara and Elspet.
from censuses there is a Jane Allan dau. of Peter & Margaret, b. 1834. In 1851 census she was a servant. I haven't followed the children up, but I think Peter Allan (1st child that I've found) jnr died youngish (b. 1836). Jane is possibly listed as Jean Allan in the 1841 census (the transcript doesn't have the relationship to Peter & Margaret). From 1841-71 censuses I have the children as Peter, Ann, James, Jane, David, Alexander, Barbara and Elspet.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 14:53 BST (UK) »
wow good find! you must have the patience of a saint to go through these records (or a very good index 
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So my trying to read that entry:
July 20th ? ? - Compeared Chs. Allan in Cornhill and his wife Mary Taylor ? confessed that they had ? ? guilty of Antenuptial Fornication. They ? that they might be ? absolved. The ? agreed to their request upon them paying six shillings and eight pence ? to the ?. This they immediately complied with and they were accordingly suitably exhorted, rebuked and absolved. Closed etc.
)So my trying to read that entry:
July 20th ? ? - Compeared Chs. Allan in Cornhill and his wife Mary Taylor ? confessed that they had ? ? guilty of Antenuptial Fornication. They ? that they might be ? absolved. The ? agreed to their request upon them paying six shillings and eight pence ? to the ?. This they immediately complied with and they were accordingly suitably exhorted, rebuked and absolved. Closed etc.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 11:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone . I found his b. and d. last night (ok, very early this morning, you know how these rabbit holes go lol, which is why I hadn't posted them here, figured I should get some sleep!), but hadn't seen the article., thanks for that, that's lovely . There was another contender but the d. entry confirmed this is the right one. d. registered as being 6pm-ish on the 24th. No profession given for his father. d. of pneumonia ([something]) 14 days, registered by son Alexander (not present)
. I found his b. and d. last night (ok, very early this morning, you know how these rabbit holes go lol, which is why I hadn't posted them here, figured I should get some sleep!), but hadn't seen the article., thanks for that, that's lovely . There was another contender but the d. entry confirmed this is the right one. d. registered as being 6pm-ish on the 24th. No profession given for his father. d. of pneumonia ([something]) 14 days, registered by son Alexander (not present)
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Sunday 21 September 25 00:02 BST (UK) »
Wow! That a lot to digest, thanks everyone for all that research! Nothing like a good scandal, eh?
It'll take me a few days to go through all of these links, thank you all
The censuses I've found for Peter Allan (1841, '51, '61, '71, '81 (he d. between '81 & '91)) have him married to Margaret Cowe/Allan. She got 6-7 years knocked off her age for the '41 census, but reinstated for the later ones. He is variously listed as a house painter and house painter & musician, and parish entries have him as a painter. Margaret's last census has her listed as a dancing masters widow.
Peter Allan's b. place is listed as Ordiquhill, Banffshire, Scotland.
Thank you Neale1961 for the word "compeared", it was driving me nuts seeing this word over and over again in the kirk sessions and not knowing what it was and thanks for William Howitt's fate. I couldn't find him in Edinburgh in the '61 '71 censuses, thanks for tracking him down - did he ever really reside in James Square Edinburgh??
Thanks again everyone, there's so much more now in that corner of my tree!
It'll take me a few days to go through all of these links, thank you all
The censuses I've found for Peter Allan (1841, '51, '61, '71, '81 (he d. between '81 & '91)) have him married to Margaret Cowe/Allan. She got 6-7 years knocked off her age for the '41 census, but reinstated for the later ones. He is variously listed as a house painter and house painter & musician, and parish entries have him as a painter. Margaret's last census has her listed as a dancing masters widow.
Peter Allan's b. place is listed as Ordiquhill, Banffshire, Scotland.
Thank you Neale1961 for the word "compeared", it was driving me nuts seeing this word over and over again in the kirk sessions and not knowing what it was
and thanks for William Howitt's fate. I couldn't find him in Edinburgh in the '61 '71 censuses, thanks for tracking him down - did he ever really reside in James Square Edinburgh??Thanks again everyone, there's so much more now in that corner of my tree!
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Friday 19 September 25 14:14 BST (UK) »
Also found this Turriff kirk sessions 4 May 1867 (unfortunately at the bottom of the page again in the worst-degraded part)
Allen & Howitt
? Margaret Allen and re-newed ? against William Howitt ? ? ? to be summoned for the second ?
Can't find a subsequent entry, but it is fairly degraded.
Allen & Howitt
? Margaret Allen and re-newed ? against William Howitt ? ? ? to be summoned for the second ?
Can't find a subsequent entry, but it is fairly degraded.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish birth and bapism
« on: Friday 19 September 25 13:18 BST (UK) »
Can't find Peter Allan in the Turriff kirk record, but a lot of it's fairly stained and I'm not used to scanning them, also not sure how far back to go to find his misdemeanour (whatever it was).
I've requested John Howitt/Howet/Howit Alan's birth certificate, if that doesn't say more about his father I'll use the Old Scottish site to see what they can find on him, see if it matches with what I found earlier. And see if I can find the alleged Howit in Edinburgh in a census.
I've requested John Howitt/Howet/Howit Alan's birth certificate, if that doesn't say more about his father I'll use the Old Scottish site to see what they can find on him, see if it matches with what I found earlier. And see if I can find the alleged Howit in Edinburgh in a census.