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Travelling People / Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« on: Monday 03 October 22 11:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gela on Friday 05 June 15 15:34 BST (UK)
just come across wilhelmina howell d/o thomas howell and elizabeth brown married a mark sherrif 1878 shalesmoor sheffield in 1881 they where living in ecclesfield with their children mark b 1853 ousby and wilhemina b1857 ousby

This is the Sheriff link someone else mentioned. Wilhelmina was my great great grandmother. Mark Sheriff and his father had Romany professions (Tinner, Peg maker, Besom maker etc). I am researching this Yorkshire line although Sheriffs seem to have come from Lincs too.  Before that I have Bucks which looks wrong so am keen to redo this now I have DNA matches.

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Travelling People / Re: Rosetta Brown nee Smith and Sophia Charlotte nee Smith
« on: Monday 03 October 22 11:33 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gela on Wednesday 27 May 15 18:41 BST (UK)
I also have Francis Brown / Smith that married Unity having

Alberdine Brown b 1854 Goxhill
Isabela Brown b 1857 Ulceby
Corder Brown b 1860 Ulceby
Nathaniel Smith b 1862 Ousby
Eliza Smith b 1866 Ousby
Mary Smith b 1869 Ousby
Charley Smith b 1873 Ecclesfield
Marmaduke Smith b 1881 Ecclesfield

I think Ousby might be Oasby

I'm interested in this family Thomas and Elizabeth Howell i'm not sure if Elizabeth was Brown they had

William b 1856 Minton
Wilhelmina b 1857 Ulecby
Mary A b about 1858 ulceby
jane E b 1861 Ulceby
Charles b 1863 Ulceby
Rabbi b 1867 Brightside married Selina Smith D/O Dennis Smith and Jemima Smith
Clara b 1870 Ecclesfield
Violet b 1870 Ecclesfield

If Elizabeth was a Brown could she be the one baptised at Quadring 1830 as Elizabeth Smith d/o Rosetta living in Bourn travellers in Quadring fen as there is Eliza Smith/ Brown and Francis Smith/ Brown living in Ecclesfield to.

Dennis Smith that was Selina's father was the son of Israel Smith and Eliza Boswell  brother of Mary Smith that i think might have had children to John Charlotte and im sure the Charlotte's are related to Rosetta Smith.I also think another daughter of Dennis married a son of Thomas and Elizabeth Howell.

gela i don't know if you have solved this one yet but I think that all this is right at least according to my source which is the biography of Rabbi Howell the footballer who you mention above. And I believe Elizabeth Howell was Brown as I come through this line and have 9 Ancestry DNA matches to Charlotte Allen through multiple lines.

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Travelling People / Re: Looking for info on Romani community in north Sheffield c. 1910
« on: Monday 03 October 22 11:22 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gela on Monday 06 April 20 13:54 BST (UK)
Hello

My family are Smiths and they settled in Ecclesfield and lived at Attercliffe before that.I have had my DNA done but it is with Ancestery and my tree is on there to .

Gela/everyone, my ancestors were Howells who settled in Stocks Hill, Ecclesfield in mid 19th Century.  Elizabeth Howell was born Brown, daughter of Francis Brown, also known as Elless I think.  I believe that her maternal grandmother was Charlotte Allen. All these came from Lincolnshire but prior to that I have strange unverified information that they came from further south.  I have just sent off for mtDNA and if this is right Charlotte Allen will be my direct matrilineal ancestor so it's an important line.  I'm on Ancestry and have done mtDNA with a lot of matches but my tree is out of shape (I can't remember where I got the information and my documentation is not great) so I am looking to compare notes/DNA matches.  Just so you know these Howells were same family as Rabbi Howell the footballer.

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