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Sligo / Searching For Thaddeus Gillen
« on: Wednesday 12 October 22 14:58 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for a relative of mine by the name of Thaddeus (or Thadaeus) Gillen
Born circa 1820 in Sligo.

I found a Griffith's Valuation for him:
Occupier   Thaddeus Gillen
Lessor   Captain Michael Jones
County   Sligo
Barony   Carbury
Parish   Drumcliff
Townland   Cloonagh
OS Page Numbers   4

And I know he had a daughter Brigida Gillen with his wife Anna Lenahan (or Lenaghan). 
Bridgida was baptized in 1853.

Birth Date:    1853
Baptism Date:    21 Jun 1853
Baptism Place:    Drumcliff, Sligo, Ireland
Parish Variants:    Drumcliff and Magherow, Drumcliffe, Magherow, Maugherow
Diocese:    Elphin

Any information on Thaddeus would be greatly appreciated.  I'm trying to find links to my Gillen family in Ireland in hopes of locating my GGGF Luke Gillen.

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Ireland / Re: Gillan Gillen Gillon
« on: Monday 03 October 22 13:06 BST (UK)  »
Mark, I found a Luke Gillen in the Tithe Applotment Books (probably too early for your Luke-but an idea).

1829
Luke Gillen
townland: Mullinary Cortenell
parish: Aghnamullen
county:Monaghan

In Griffiths Valuation:
1854
Luke Gillan
townland: Tinode
parish: Street (Granard)
county:Westmeath

1858
Luke Gillan
townland: Knappagh Beg
parish: St John
county: Sligo

Just to give an idea of maybe where to look.

Thanks, these are wonderful.  My Luke Gillen was born around 1825 but where in Ireland is a complete mystery.  His marriage to Bridget Burns took place in the United States in November of 1844 so my Luke pre-dates the Luke Gillen's you mentioned, however, I'm hoping that one Gillen will lead to another.  I'm also doing the search genetically which is how I came upon a Thaddeus Gillen married to an Anna Lenhan (or Lenaghan).  I mean every thread is one more thread I didn't have before.

Thank you for taking the time to add to my research.

Regards,
Mark Gillen

I'm wondering if the Luke Gillen in Sligo might be related to a Thaddeus (or Thadeus) Gillen also from Sligo, Drumcliff Parish I believe.  I know I have a genetic match to Thaddeus so perhaps Gillen in Sligo might prove to be a useful lead.

Again thanks for your help.

Regards,

Mark Gillen

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Honestly, my definitive information is pretty scant.  I know that he was married to Bridget Burns in November of 1844 in the United States, specifically New York City, but on the Ireland side I have nothing.  Looking at my genetic makeup there's an interesting development as in I may be more English (United Kingdom, specifically Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) than Irish (39% vs 17%).  My father's lineage was more Scottish than Irish but again that may do more to confuse the search than bring anything into more specific relief.

Coincidentally Luke's wife, Bridget Burns arrived in 1842 from Northern Ireland.  I've always wondered if Luke and Bridget or their families may have known each other in Ireland.    Nothing I've uncovered so far indicates they did but it's a thought.

Name          Bridget Burns
Age   18
Birth Date           1824
Departure Port   Newry, Northern Ireland
Arrival Date   5 Jul 1842
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Ship Name           Amelia


Have you found Luke on censuses?

A few points on which to ruminate.

New York was a melting -pot as you no doubt know. People from all over Ireland went there. It was the destination of some of my relatives from County Mayo.

Genetic percentages. People on the DNA board may be able to help you interpret them. People have been moving back & forth between Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales for more than a thousand years, sometimes in a mass migration or planned large-scale settlement, e.g. the Plantations of Ulster.
English isn't the same as British. Britain isn't the same as the U.K. Scottish and Welsh people aren't English. People in or from the present state of Northern Ireland can be Irish or British or both or might identify as Ulster Scots.
The state of Northern Ireland was created in 1921 when Ireland was partitioned by the UK government. It contains only 6 of 9 Ulster counties. Donegal, the most northerly county of Ulster wasn't included in the new state. Neither were Cavan and Monaghan.   

Newry was the port of departure for Bridget Burns but she may not have been born there.
 Newry was a major port connected by canal to a large part of the province of Ulster. It had become the premier port in Ulster and the 4th in all Ireland by the end of 18th century, thanks to the canal. The town was transformed into an international trading centre, trading with America and Europe. Newry was a major urban centre in 19th century, population 13,000, with industries. The most successful period for the canal was 1840s. Thackeray, the writer visited in 1842 and wrote a description, mentioning "Steamers to Liverpool and Glasgow sail continuously" ("Irish Sketch Book")
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/pre-1800/old-newry-history-part-1/
https://www.newry.ie/news/newry-in-1842
https://www.newry.com/history/
Article about emigrant ships from Newry Port with description & history of the port
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/maritme-history/emigrant-ships-brothers/   

Yea, very good point.  Fact is though my genetics points to being English, say, it has to be noted that we're really talking "English Isles", or North West Europe more generally. 
Love the information on Newry.  I have information on Gillens in New York city and it's a pretty impressive collection.  And I know, based on marriage records, that Luke and Bridget lived there before moving on to Maryland. 

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Wonderful info.

Regards,

Mark Gillen

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« on: Saturday 01 October 22 21:09 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for my Great-great grandfather Luke Gillen.  I'm not entirely sure where in Ireland he's from suffice to say he was born about 1825.  I've recently uncovered a relative, Thaddeus Gillen, from Drumcliffe Parish, County Sligo, born on 21 June 1853.  Which may or may not point to where my GGGF Luke Gillen came from.


What definite information do you have about Luke Gillen?

Honestly, my definitive information is pretty scant.  I know that he was married to Bridget Burns in November of 1844 in the United States, specifically New York City, but on the Ireland side I have nothing.  Looking at my genetic makeup there's an interesting development as in I may be more English (United Kingdom, specifically Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) than Irish (39% vs 17%).  My father's lineage was more Scottish than Irish but again that may do more to confuse the search than bring anything into more specific relief.

Coincidentally Luke's wife, Bridget Burns arrived in 1842 from Northern Ireland.  I've always wondered if Luke and Bridget or their families may have known each other in Ireland.    Nothing I've uncovered so far indicates they did but it's a thought.

Name          Bridget Burns
Age   18
Birth Date           1824
Departure Port   Newry, Northern Ireland
Arrival Date   5 Jul 1842
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Ship Name           Amelia

Thank you for taking the time to aid in my search.

Best regards,

Mark Gillen

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Ireland / Re: Gillan Gillen Gillon
« on: Saturday 01 October 22 21:05 BST (UK)  »
Mark, I found a Luke Gillen in the Tithe Applotment Books (probably too early for your Luke-but an idea).

1829
Luke Gillen
townland: Mullinary Cortenell
parish: Aghnamullen
county:Monaghan

In Griffiths Valuation:
1854
Luke Gillan
townland: Tinode
parish: Street (Granard)
county:Westmeath

1858
Luke Gillan
townland: Knappagh Beg
parish: St John
county: Sligo

Just to give an idea of maybe where to look.

Thanks, these are wonderful.  My Luke Gillen was born around 1825 but where in Ireland is a complete mystery.  His marriage to Bridget Burns took place in the United States in November of 1844 so my Luke pre-dates the Luke Gillen's you mentioned, however, I'm hoping that one Gillen will lead to another.  I'm also doing the search genetically which is how I came upon a Thaddeus Gillen married to an Anna Lenhan (or Lenaghan).  I mean every thread is one more thread I didn't have before.

Thank you for taking the time to add to my research.

Regards,
Mark Gillen

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« on: Thursday 29 September 22 11:52 BST (UK)  »
I've recently uncovered a relative, Thaddeus Gillen, from Drumcliffe Parish, County Sligo, born on 21 June 1853.  Which may or may not point to where my GGGF Luke Gillen came from.

It was Thadeus' daughter who was baptised on that date.  Registers survive for baptisms from 1841 and marriages from 1865.

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0555

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0555&parish=Drumcliff

There was more than one Thadeus GILLEN baptizing children there around that time, unless it is the same person with different wives.  I haven't looked to see if the dates overlap.

Debra  :)

My bad, Debra.  You are exactly right.  Thaddeus (or Thadeus) was born circa 1820.  His daughter, Brigida, was baptized (not born) on 21 June 1853.  His wife was Anna Lenaghan (also spelt Lenahan).  I tried attaching the baptismal register but it's too large of an upload.  In that register you can also see that an Anna Waters was baptized and her mother was a Gillen (Margaret I think - the handwriting was too indistinct) and the Godmother was an Anna Gillen.  The surnames of Waters, Gillen, Dunleavy, and Lenahan etc. show up in a Griffith's Valuation for Drumcliff Parish so I'm hoping that somehow Thaddeus is related to Luke Gillen.  I bring up Thaddeus because he is a DNA match I have on Ancestry.com so I feel he's a pretty solid lead to Gillens in Ireland.  I'm hoping that he will lead to other Gillen ancestors and quite possibly my GGGF Luke Gillen.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« on: Thursday 29 September 22 00:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Monica,

Yes, I did have his grave site information, via another web site.  What's interesting is that my great-great grandmother's surname is Berns not Burns.  Through an Ancestry.com DNA link to a Peter Lenahan which genetically led me to an ancestor Thaddeus Gillen and his wife Ann Lenghan (Lenahan).  Thaddeus was born around 1820 in County Sligo.  I mention him since he's a Gillen and it's he's the first Gillen I've found that actually has some background as to where in Ireland he lived.  I'm hoping that my Gillen ancestors had some proximity to one another. 

Thanks, Monica!  It's great to get a reply!

And a warm welcome from me too. 

Further down on the info about the memorial it says the name is Burns and that her father's name was Hugh Burns. 
Of course this has variations
Byrne
Beirne
Burn
etc

On Irish genealogy there is this record for a Hugh Beirne who died aged 66 in 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020596/7226509.pdf
and Hugh Byrne who died aged 75 in 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020671/7253075.pdf

Thanks!  Yes, In my current family tree version I have Hugh Burns down as my GGGM's father.  Today I was researching some records that might indicate her father and mother might have been a Michael Burns and Mary Mourew but I'm not certain that, that's correct.  They did have a daughter Bridget but she wasn't born until 1842 and my GGGM was already married by then.

Interestingly that Bridget Burns was from Kiltown Cross Roads, Kilkenny, Ireland which also doesn't fit the profile.  The other issue I've run into is that my mother's side of my genetics is made up of Sullivan, O'Malley, and Galagher, so counties Connact, Mayo and Munster.  Not sure if my dad's ancestors came from Ireland or Scotland (of Irish descent).

Both are from Co Sligo, interestingly.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« on: Thursday 29 September 22 00:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark, and welcome to Rootschat!

It might be worth your while to contact the contributor to the grave information on the link that Monica posted.
The profile of the contributor states the Gillen family are an area of focus for him/her.
The "send message" is on their profile page, found here: https://www.findagrave.com/user/profile/47561859

Thanks bbart!  Yes, the poster of that contributor is my cousin Kevin Gillen.  He's been looking for our GGGF for a while as well.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« on: Wednesday 28 September 22 21:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Monica,

Yes, I did have his grave site information, via another web site.  What's interesting is that my great-great grandmother's surname is Berns not Burns.  Through an Ancestry.com DNA link to a Peter Lenahan which genetically led me to an ancestor Thaddeus Gillen and his wife Ann Lenghan (Lenahan).  Thaddeus was born around 1820 in County Sligo.  I mention him since he's a Gillen and it's he's the first Gillen I've found that actually has some background as to where in Ireland he lived.  I'm hoping that my Gillen ancestors had some proximity to one another. 

Thanks, Monica!  It's great to get a reply!

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