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Lanarkshire / Re: 251 St Vincent Street, Glasgow
« on: Saturday 27 July 24 09:47 BST (UK)  »
I have a photo of the birth certificate which was issued in 1997 Caroline. As he was born in 1931 I didn't think I could view the original entry.  Would it give more details?

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Lanarkshire / Re: 251 St Vincent Street, Glasgow
« on: Tuesday 23 July 24 22:35 BST (UK)  »
As the birth mother I am researching is most unlikely to have been able to afford a nursing home birth it would be of interest to discover whether all or most of the births registered to that address were illegitimate suggesting a charitable organisation was involved.
Presumably if adoptions were indeed legalised in 1930 there must be a record in the Scottish Archives relating to the address.

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Lanarkshire / Re: 251 St Vincent Street, Glasgow
« on: Tuesday 23 July 24 20:00 BST (UK)  »
I am also researching a family member born in 1931 at 251 St. Vincent Street.  The mother came from Govan and was unmarried so the suggestion from Roman that this was a home for unmarried mothers seems likely.  I too would appreciate the source of Roman’s information.
My understanding is that legal adoptions were introduced in 1930, before that it was a more casual arrangement.
I was surprised to see from the birth certificate of my relative that the birth mother had registered the child with the name he was always known as once adopted, followed by her surname.  This was at odds with my belief that the birth mother registered the child with a name she had chosen followed by her surname and a later birth certificate was issued to the adoptive parents with the name they had chosen and their surname.  In my relative’s case the adoptive father had a brother who died.  The child was given his very distinctive three part name followed by the birth mother’s surname.
Can anyone throw more light on the institution at 251 St Vincent Street or the usual registration of babies to be legally adopted?

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Thank you for pointing that out Rosie, I’ll tell them what I’m looking for when I call to book.
Last time I was there looking for a local census in Wigtonshire I was told they didn’t have it and couldn’t help.  I asked another librarian across the hall who disappeared for 20 mins and returned with it in her hands. It actually brought tears to my eyes to find a real librarian who knew her stuff.

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Thank you all.  I do have his birth record, no father is listed. His marriage record only mentions his mother.
That is a good idea about poor law and child maintenance records unfortunately I don’t know where to find them so I think a trip to the Mitchell Library Scotlandspeople section might be of help.

I have had my DNA done on Ancestry and 23andme (I’m female) but although it has helped confirm my research on some lines I don’t have a clue how to work out who Joseph’s father was.  Perhaps somebody could suggest a book I could read?

Joseph is the only child on my direct line lacking a biological father, he was farmed out as a boarder in his early years, presumably to allow his mother to work to support him but it appears that once she married he was taken back by his mother and brought up by her and his stepfather who got Joseph an apprenticeship in his trade.  Joseph must have respected his stepfather as he named a son after him.

Does anyone know if there is a way to notify Ancestry of clear errors in their “hints”. I message people to point out errors but mostly they go unread, presumably as the tree owner no longer subscribes.  The number of these poorly researched trees greatly outweigh the properly researched trees with evidence and sources attached.  As time goes by Ancestry gets less and less reliable. Surely something they need to take note of.




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Joseph Callender is my gt grandfather.  His mother was Lilias Callender b.1843 Glasgow.
Lilias subsequently married Robert McKechnie in 1871 when Joseph was 5 years old.  Census evidence shows that Joseph was the stepson of Robert McKechnie.  Despite it being clear that Robert McKechnie wasn’t Joseph’s father almost every tree they are on states he is, which frankly is annoying.
I am relatively new to genealogy and I would greatly appreciate the help of any members who could point me in the direction of how I can possibly discover who really was the father of Joseph. Hoping someone can help 🤞🏽Thanks for reading.

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Wigtownshire / Re: Cemetery Records - Stoneykirk/Kirkmaiden
« on: Sunday 05 November 23 14:00 GMT (UK)  »
Final or penultimate post regarding the elusive Elizabeth Wither.

Having discovered her on the Urquhart census together with her husband and first two children I now had her age and mother’s maiden name.  A session on Scotlandspeople gave me her mother’s marriage to Alexander Wither and the baptism dates of their children.  The child born in the year Elizabeth was born was entered without a name which explains how the confusion arose.
I am convinced I now have the correct line so the story is almost over.  All I need now is her death record then I will be completely satisfied.

If anyone has any ideas how I might find this I would be extremely grateful.

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Wigtownshire / Re: Cemetery Records - Stoneykirk/Kirkmaiden
« on: Sunday 05 November 23 13:48 GMT (UK)  »
Mick,
I have PM’d you with my email address as I can send you the photos I have.
For the record, I knew there was a copy in Utah but couldn’t work out how to get sight of it.  I was told that perhaps Dumfries and Galloway libraries held a copy but after being told by the Mitchell Library in Glasgow that they couldn’t locate a copy anywhere a delightful real librarian in the Mitchell disappeared for 15 minutes and came back with a previously unread copy.
So for anyone searching there is one in Glasgow.

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Wigtownshire / Re: Cemetery Records - Stoneykirk/Kirkmaiden
« on: Sunday 29 October 23 16:11 GMT (UK)  »
To everyone who kindly tried to help in my search for Elizabeth Wither I would like to give an update.
She married James McHarg in 1828, had 3 children with him then vanished from the records.  Her place was taken by a Minnie Adair who had 2 children with James and presumably they married as they were husband and wife according to their death certificates.  I still don’t have a birth or death record for Elizabeth nor a marriage record for Minnie and James.
What I have discovered is a Portpatrick census done in 1832 by the Reverent Andrew Urquhart then assistant minister to the Rev. John McKenzie.  In it on page 57 he lists James McHargue [sic], Elizabeth Wither, their first two children and Elizabeth’s mother Janet McBride.  If the age given for Elizabeth is correct it confirms that there are two Elizabeth Withers in Wigtonshire at this time.  On Scotlandspeople I could find only one so mistakenly assumed she was the person James married.
So it looks like the simplest explanation is the correct one.  Elizabeth probably died, Minnie moved in to care for the three children, eventually married James and had two children with him.
I will continue to search for definitive proof but in the meantime thanks everyone for your generous help.


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