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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Today at 13:03 »
Hi David. I may well consider you suggestion to dig deeper.

Who would believe how taxing it is discovering ones ancestors? And it isn't even me doing most of the work!

This is a big chunk of Scottish history I can put alongside my big chunk of Welsh history. Add the little Irish history I have discovered so far and sprinkle it all with English. Well it all brings a smile to my face.

Thanks David.

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Today at 12:55 »
Forfarian.

Alas! Methinks the weeping rocks around,
And the low stream, that murmurs far below;
And trees and caves, with solemn hollow sound,
Breathe out one mournful melancholy ‘No’.

And so says Alexander Wilson (1766-1813) The great Scottish poet you may well know. Alas he agrees with you and answers my question with ‘one mournful melancholy ‘No.’ I thought it fitting as he worked alongside the Clark family in one of their work shops.

Mighty fine detective work Forfarian and of course you know I extend a massive thank you.

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Today at 09:40 »
Yes you can make up lots of stories and here’s mine.

I like better the fact that Robert was a foreman and not a labourer as it shows he had managerial skills. And that fits better with my meshed list of facts below basically trying to match Roberts father James with James II.  I’m expecting holes to be picked in it but I just thought I’d try.

James Clark was born in 1747 and started the business. He started making cotton thread in 1813  and, together with his son James (II)(1782-1865), built a mill at Seedhill, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

1810 Our Robert Clark is born (father James mother Janet Morris)

This mill was acquired in 1819 by James Clark II and his brother John, who formed J & J Clark, thread manufacturers, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

1851 Robert is a gas works foreman.

1854 James and Robert (sons of James Clark II  Could this James II be married to Janet Morris making this Robert our Robert?) establish the business J&R Clark.

Robert and Ann were in Leith by 1854, when their daughter Betsey was born.

In 1859 the business moved to the Burnside Mill on the south bank of the river cart.   

In 1861 Robert and Ann are in South Leith.

In 1871 Robert with or without Ann is in Australia.

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Yesterday at 21:26 »
Hi David and thanks, you have some interesting research of your own I see. And Australian connections too.

The only occupation I have seen for Robert is a gas work labourer. The marine engineers of the family came later. Which seems to be the predominent occupation among men in other parts of my research too. Not surprising as most were of Liverpool origin.

That's a good point about other fellow countrymen being there who could offer advise or even accomodation. Even just within the Clark namesake there are plenty of established families.

I have no inkling of how scary such a venture must have been. But the attraction whatever it was must have outweighed any fears.

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Yesterday at 19:02 »
A lot has been said about Robert Clark but I have a more general question regarding him.

According to dates Robert landed in Victoria Australia in 1871. Being born in 1810, and him now being 61 years old I was wondering - was there no age limit to immigration? Would he have had an income?And at 61 what could have attracted him to move there along with his wife?

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Sunday 02 November 25 22:09 GMT (UK)  »
Yes Forfarian that makes sense and after more reading over all the info available I agree 100% with you.

That death cert has been very helpful too with childrens ages and it provides us with a date of arrival in Australia.

And much credit to you as the cert also verifies all the info you gave me in earlier posts. Many thanks.

I'll post any more info I find.


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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Sunday 02 November 25 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167343162/ann-clark

Death Schedule looks sound - death Tuberculosis

But the Hulme location is ? (okay. The correct Scottish details are on the Death Schedule)

And Spouse Samual ? (obviously wrong info)

Just spotted Roberts details next to hers! Robert must have arrived 1871.

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Sunday 02 November 25 20:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Forfarian.

I checked for passenger lists but arrival records from British ports only survive from 1890. And no sign of our couple.

I checked the convict lists (started in 1787) the final list 1868. No sign.

But this is interesting. Or baffling depending on how you look at it.

Robert and Ann are buried in the same grave. Echuca Cemetary, Echuca, Campaspe Shire, Victoria, Australia. F Section 15 Grave 8.

Roberts details are good BUT, the Ann Clark details?

Ann Wright Clark (Just Ann Clark on Death Schedule)
b1820 - d1892 (same as our Ann)
Hulme, Lancashire, England.

Spouse Samual Clark 1811-1867

Father Andrew Phillip  Farmer
Mother Margaret Phillip (Malcom)
both in Hulme England.

These are the only Robert and Ann in the cemetary. And in Victoria.

Any thoughts Forfarian?

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Scotland / Re: Anchor Mills Clark family.
« on: Sunday 02 November 25 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
Such a lot of information in such a short time! Many thanks Forfarian.

Many people do not consider their ancestry as being of any relevence. For me the sense of 'time and place' is very important.

This line of enquery was instigated by my late mothers claim to be related to 'people who owned mills'. As of yet this cannot be proven. But the case of me being related to Captain Cook through her granma Annie Cook was proven to be wrong through rootschat. He never had children nor did his siblings!

Roberts timeline is interesting;

1810   Robert born
1820   Ann born
1840   Married
1844   son James born (Scotland) 1875 James son William born Liverpool.
1851   son William born (Scotland)
1892   Ann died (Australia)
1902   Robert died (Australia)

Which then gives us the possible gap inbetween which Robert and Ann could have travelled to Australia. Both quite advanced in years! And one source suggesting they has 11 children!

Such a lot to look into. Thanks once again.



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