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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie. Sorry I'm not sure what 'unnoticed' is refering to?
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 08:37 GMT (UK) »
Neale. If indeed we do assume/believe Maria is the mother of William then the sequence of events as I understand them:
1st marriage 31st Oct 1869 St Peter’s Liverpool
James Clark, full age, bachelor, mariner. Father – James Clark surveyor and Maria Hay spinster. Father James Hay shoemaker.
Both of Brook Street. Witnesses are John EAGAN and Catherine KEHOE
Children:
CLARKE, JAMES (This baptisism date would be before the marriage?)
Baptised 4 may 1869 at St Mary's Catholic Church, Liverpool, and mother's surname is HAY.
(“domi imminens periculum”) Possible death the next year.
CLARKE, ROBERT CHRISTOPHER
Catholic baptism, Robert Christopher Clark, born December 25th 1873, son of James and Maria (Hay). Godparents are James and Ann MacDevitt.
He died later in 1874.
William born 18 july 1875 (from the 1839 register)
Workhouse creed register entry for Maria Clarke, admitted 12 Nov 1875, says died 16 Nov. Cause of death Phthisis.
There is a burial for Maria Clarke in the catholic section at Anfield Cemetery, 18 November 1875. Age given as 33 on this.
2nd marriage 13 Dec 1876, St Peter’s Liverpool
James Christopher Clark, widower, 36, mariner, Parliament st. Father – James Clark land surveyor
and Eliza Price, spinster. 36 spinster Brook st. Father Patrick Price – farmer
Witnesses – John Matthews and Margaret Kibblewhite.
No children registered in England from 2nd marriage with Eliza Price.
William marries 3 Oct 1897.
William 21yrs – seaman – father James Christopher Clark (deceased) Mariner.
Annie Cook 20yrs – father James Cook. Joiner.
(Julia Ann Cook born 18 July 1878.)
Witnesses William Lewis and Mary Cook.
Children:
Susannah 1910-2001
William 1907-1978
Annie Florence 1903-1980
William death 13 Dec 1949.
Julia death 9 Aug 1952.
1st marriage 31st Oct 1869 St Peter’s Liverpool
James Clark, full age, bachelor, mariner. Father – James Clark surveyor and Maria Hay spinster. Father James Hay shoemaker.
Both of Brook Street. Witnesses are John EAGAN and Catherine KEHOE
Children:
CLARKE, JAMES (This baptisism date would be before the marriage?)
Baptised 4 may 1869 at St Mary's Catholic Church, Liverpool, and mother's surname is HAY.
(“domi imminens periculum”) Possible death the next year.
CLARKE, ROBERT CHRISTOPHER
Catholic baptism, Robert Christopher Clark, born December 25th 1873, son of James and Maria (Hay). Godparents are James and Ann MacDevitt.
He died later in 1874.
William born 18 july 1875 (from the 1839 register)
Workhouse creed register entry for Maria Clarke, admitted 12 Nov 1875, says died 16 Nov. Cause of death Phthisis.
There is a burial for Maria Clarke in the catholic section at Anfield Cemetery, 18 November 1875. Age given as 33 on this.
2nd marriage 13 Dec 1876, St Peter’s Liverpool
James Christopher Clark, widower, 36, mariner, Parliament st. Father – James Clark land surveyor
and Eliza Price, spinster. 36 spinster Brook st. Father Patrick Price – farmer
Witnesses – John Matthews and Margaret Kibblewhite.
No children registered in England from 2nd marriage with Eliza Price.
William marries 3 Oct 1897.
William 21yrs – seaman – father James Christopher Clark (deceased) Mariner.
Annie Cook 20yrs – father James Cook. Joiner.
(Julia Ann Cook born 18 July 1878.)
Witnesses William Lewis and Mary Cook.
Children:
Susannah 1910-2001
William 1907-1978
Annie Florence 1903-1980
William death 13 Dec 1949.
Julia death 9 Aug 1952.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Saturday 13 December 25 08:30 GMT (UK) »
Neale. I do find your shipping history interesting and I research each vessel you mention. The vessel William Hall is interesting. Vessels bearing the name are done so in memory of a Petty Officer William Hall who was the first black person, first Nova Scotian, and third Canadian to receive the British Empire’s highest award for bravery, the Victoria Cross. He was the son of former American slaves born in 1827. And he enlisted in the Royal Navy in 1892.
And regarding the James Clark, who now isn't my James Clark, I did research the vessels you mentioned associated with him and perhaps I should post his shipping history somewhere. Might be useful for anyone reseaching him.
Thanks again.
And regarding the James Clark, who now isn't my James Clark, I did research the vessels you mentioned associated with him and perhaps I should post his shipping history somewhere. Might be useful for anyone reseaching him.
Thanks again.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Friday 12 December 25 20:04 GMT (UK) »
I agree with jonwarrn. Excellent finds Rosie.
The two court dwellings mentioned are both within walking distance of the docks in Liverpool. They were densly populated and a great many were from Ireland. Either stranded after failing to get passages or arriving to find work. The conditions at the time ranged from 'slums' to 'habitable.' The workhouses must have been extremely horrible to work in and as records show work related deaths and poor living conditions took there toll.
Thanks for the familysearch link jon.
I feel I should be doing more to contribute but I'm searching and searching but coming up with nothing. Thanks to everyone contributing.
The two court dwellings mentioned are both within walking distance of the docks in Liverpool. They were densly populated and a great many were from Ireland. Either stranded after failing to get passages or arriving to find work. The conditions at the time ranged from 'slums' to 'habitable.' The workhouses must have been extremely horrible to work in and as records show work related deaths and poor living conditions took there toll.
Thanks for the familysearch link jon.
I feel I should be doing more to contribute but I'm searching and searching but coming up with nothing. Thanks to everyone contributing.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Friday 12 December 25 09:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for your replies. I have genuinely tried to understand the facts and if I have interpreted them incorrectly I am more than happy to be corrected.
The details provided on the previous posts by jonwarrn regarding the marriage certificate and subsequent information look correct to me. In that they relate to the William Richard Clark and the family I am familiar with. His father on the certificate being James Christopher Clark. (deceased mariner)
Now taking into consideration the info I ignored in ‘22 that Neale has highlighted. That James had a 1st marriage to Maria Hay in OCT 1869.
Then a 2nd Marriage to Eliza Price in DEC 1876. (no registered children born from this marriage?)
William could have been born to James and Maria.
Or William could have been born to James and Eliza.
Or in fact William could have been born to an unknown father and Eliza pre marriage and he adopted the surname Clark. James then not being his biological father.
The details provided on the previous posts by jonwarrn regarding the marriage certificate and subsequent information look correct to me. In that they relate to the William Richard Clark and the family I am familiar with. His father on the certificate being James Christopher Clark. (deceased mariner)
Now taking into consideration the info I ignored in ‘22 that Neale has highlighted. That James had a 1st marriage to Maria Hay in OCT 1869.
Then a 2nd Marriage to Eliza Price in DEC 1876. (no registered children born from this marriage?)
William could have been born to James and Maria.
Or William could have been born to James and Eliza.
Or in fact William could have been born to an unknown father and Eliza pre marriage and he adopted the surname Clark. James then not being his biological father.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Thursday 11 December 25 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Again, thanks for the replies and of course I appreciate the time and effort of everyone who has contributed.
The only clear way forward out of the mess I have created is to get the marriage cert of William Christopher Clark and Julia Ann Clark. Which of course has been suggested on more than one occassion. So I apologise for that.
The only clear way forward out of the mess I have created is to get the marriage cert of William Christopher Clark and Julia Ann Clark. Which of course has been suggested on more than one occassion. So I apologise for that.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Wednesday 10 December 25 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Raybistre - that is the family in question.
Susannah 1910-2001
William H/R? (Billy) 1907-1978
Annie Florence 1903-1980
Father William Richard Clark
Mother Julia Anne (Annie) Cook (I have also modified this to reflect the name on the grave as up to now I have been refering to her as 'Annie' which is the name she was known as. This might have been causing a problem also?)
Neale - I did have access to cert's but not any longer. The info about Williams parents
James Christopher Clark
Elizabeth Simpson
has come via rootschat and Ancestry.
Do I have a problem these may be incorrect?
Sorry mckha489 - that is Susannah's headstone yes. There is a headstone close by with the parents on that.
Susannah 1910-2001
William H/R? (Billy) 1907-1978
Annie Florence 1903-1980
Father William Richard Clark
Mother Julia Anne (Annie) Cook (I have also modified this to reflect the name on the grave as up to now I have been refering to her as 'Annie' which is the name she was known as. This might have been causing a problem also?)
Neale - I did have access to cert's but not any longer. The info about Williams parents
James Christopher Clark
Elizabeth Simpson
has come via rootschat and Ancestry.
Do I have a problem these may be incorrect?
Sorry mckha489 - that is Susannah's headstone yes. There is a headstone close by with the parents on that.
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Wednesday 10 December 25 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your replies AND patience.
My investigations were all about tracing the Clark line back. This is what I know for sure.
SUSANNA LLOYD (CLARK) 1910-2001
Her parents are named on the headstone.
WILLIAM RICHARD CLARK 1875-1949
ANNIE CLARK (COOK) 1877-1952
married 1897
Then is there where the confusion begins?
Williams parents:
JAMES CHRISTOPHER CLARK 1844
ELIZABETH SIMPSON 1847
James parents:
ROBERT CLARK 1812
ANN PHILIP 1820
My investigations were all about tracing the Clark line back. This is what I know for sure.
SUSANNA LLOYD (CLARK) 1910-2001
Her parents are named on the headstone.
WILLIAM RICHARD CLARK 1875-1949
ANNIE CLARK (COOK) 1877-1952
married 1897
Then is there where the confusion begins?
Williams parents:
JAMES CHRISTOPHER CLARK 1844
ELIZABETH SIMPSON 1847
James parents:
ROBERT CLARK 1812
ANN PHILIP 1820
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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: William Richard Clark siblings?
« on: Wednesday 10 December 25 09:55 GMT (UK) »
For this particular thread this is my starting point.
William Richard Clark (1875-1949) - Find a Grave Memorial
Williams birthdate sometimes differs from different sources but b1875 is on his grave.
Then the following regarding his parents. (Taken from this thread.)
Marriage 17 July 1867 St George Edinburgh
James Clark, 23, single, Engineer on Board SS Balbec. Father - Robert Clark, Mother - Ann Philip
Elizabeth Simpson, 20 single, bookbinders gold layer. Father - James Simpson, mother – Elizabeth McGlashian
Then again posted on this thread the siblings of William which answers my original question.
‘William Richard Clark siblings?’ (I couldn’t see them in any of my previous threads.)
Children from the above marriage:-
• Elizabeth Jane 1868 Edinburgh
• Ann 1870 Liverpool
• James 1872 Liverpool
• Margaret 1875 Liverpool
• William 1878 Liverpool
• Edith 1880 Liverpool
Is Williams birthdate a problem here?
Have I got things right or have I just confused matters more? Hopefully with your help the former.
William Richard Clark (1875-1949) - Find a Grave Memorial
Williams birthdate sometimes differs from different sources but b1875 is on his grave.
Then the following regarding his parents. (Taken from this thread.)
Marriage 17 July 1867 St George Edinburgh
James Clark, 23, single, Engineer on Board SS Balbec. Father - Robert Clark, Mother - Ann Philip
Elizabeth Simpson, 20 single, bookbinders gold layer. Father - James Simpson, mother – Elizabeth McGlashian
Then again posted on this thread the siblings of William which answers my original question.
‘William Richard Clark siblings?’ (I couldn’t see them in any of my previous threads.)
Children from the above marriage:-
• Elizabeth Jane 1868 Edinburgh
• Ann 1870 Liverpool
• James 1872 Liverpool
• Margaret 1875 Liverpool
• William 1878 Liverpool
• Edith 1880 Liverpool
Is Williams birthdate a problem here?
Have I got things right or have I just confused matters more? Hopefully with your help the former.