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London and Middlesex / Re: Alice DANIELS (1869-1953)
« on: Sunday 12 May 24 21:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I am a direct descendant of George and Bessie. Please feel free to PM me. I am happy to share what I have discovered so far (including some family pictures).

To note: I am currently traveling and will be able to provide more detailed responses when I’m home in about a week.

EM

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did you have any luck with this book, i am trying to find a copy.

I was not able to find a free digital copy but I did find a list of 145 Canadian and American public libraries that have physical copies.

https://search.worldcat.org/title/A-dictionary-of-Scottish-emigrants-to-Canada-before-confederation/oclc/13585948

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Canada / Re: Help finding missing woman in 1931 census
« on: Monday 12 February 24 23:39 GMT (UK)  »
I would think that she wouldn’t have been away from her baby for very long, but ?  Could any of the following be true?  [Note: I know very little about the 1931 census so the following may not apply.]

Was she away during the census taking; perhaps briefly taking care of a relative.
Was she ill and admitted to a hospital (although I’ve not yet found her in 1931).
Could her husband and children have just been visiting his parents for a short stay; perhaps she was too ill to travel away from home.
Was she ill and her husband and children left their home to avoid catching her illness.
Did she briefly return to any family members for reasons unknown to you.

Did any relatives live in neighbouring provinces?  Have you searched elsewhere for her?  But, perhaps you are correct; maybe she was accidentally omitted.  :-\

Hello Lisa,

Based on family stories, I know that Phoebe died very young (age 47) and was ill for quite a few years before hand (probably starting in mid to late 1940's?). Because of this I did consider the possibility of her being hospitalized but couldnt find any hospitalized person that matched her description.

Based on family stories, Phoebe does not seem like the type who would choose to be away from her young children. With that said, I know that William's parents were not very fond of Phoebe because she was not Catholic by birth. I believe that she converted around this time she got married, however it is implied in stories that that was only done as a formality. I dont think this would have been enough to cause her to live elsewhere but if it was, I am at a loss for where she could have went. I have found her parents in the census and she had no other siblings she could have lived with. ???

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Canada / Re: Help finding missing woman in 1931 census
« on: Monday 12 February 24 23:14 GMT (UK)  »

Looking at the find a grave entry for the daughter Beverley, it does sound as if there were more children after 1931.  Beverley born 1940 mentions parents William and Phoebe.

FIND A GRAVE

Beverley Ann Francis Doiron 1940- 2011

Stella Maris Roman Catholic Cemetery
North Rustico, Queens County, Prince Edward Island, Canada

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210026131/beverley-ann-doiron

Sandra

Hello Sandra,

Thank you for your help.

Yes this is her daughter. I know for a fact that William and Phoebe had a total of 7 children, 4 of which were born post 1931 and 1 which died during infancy prior to the census. Beverly was the youngest.

All of this information you have is correct and lines up with my research.

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Canada / Help finding missing woman in 1931 census
« on: Friday 09 February 24 02:34 GMT (UK)  »
I am currently researching William Edward Francis and his wife Phoebe McKeigan (spelling varies). Phoebe was born Sept 1911 to Malcolm McKeigan and Ida Blanche Mercer. Her and William got married during 1928 in Sydney Mines (on her marriage certificate her first name is incorrectly spelled "Pheomie").

In the 1931 census I have been able to find William living in Sydney Mines, NS at his parents house with his and Phoebe's children, however I was not able to find Phoebe. Her absence struck me as particularly odd considering how young her children were (youngest was only 4 months old!). I know that she was alive during 1931 and that her and William were still married, however I have not been able to find her anywhere within the greater Sydney area. Is it possible that the enumerator missed her when recording the household? If not, where else could she be?


Here is the link to William and the children in the 1931 census:
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&IdNumber=75348004

Here is the link to their marriage record:
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=52-841&Event=marriage&ID=183008

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were retrospective birth registrations a common request?
Other than the Register of Neglected Entries, I have never come across anything like this before.

Where did they go when they left Scotland? Could they have been sponsored by some sort of England-based organisation or employer who required evidence that they were squeaky clean, but failed to understand that civil registration only started in 1855 in Scotland? But even if that were the case, why was it necessary to go to court to get the Registrar General to 'register' the births using information in a source held by the very same Registrar General? All very strange.

I did have a look in the NRS online catalogue but found nothing. It might be necessary to find and search the records of Dundee Sheriff court.

Take GR2's advice; ask SP.

Based on my research, David and Elizabeth left Scotland in October 1871. Though I dont know the exact reason for them leaving, the most likely reason is the economic state of the William Denoon Young Company. David had been elected commissioner for them in 1870. Upon leaving the country, the company published a notice in Edinburgh Gazette seeking to find a replacement. After this I am slightly uncertain of their movement but believe that I found them in the 1881 census living in Northamptonshire. I also found an 1883 Leicestershire obituary that I believe is David.

David jr settled in the greater London area. He married Mary Fraser in Chelsea in 1868, and spent many years around the Battersea area. He died rather suddenly in Poplar in 1889, leaving his wife widowed with 6 children ranging from 15 years to 1 month old.

I dont know much about his younger brother James. I believe that he too settled in the greater London area but have not been able to find definitive proof that the person I found is him.

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I know based on census records and city directories that David moved to Edinburgh around 1851 so he was more than likely living with his wife when both sons were born. I have not found any evidence that David or Elizabeth were ever involved in other relationships while they were living apart, although that is still a possibility because they did live apart for nearly 20 years!

If it was as easy as providing the baptismal records, then why did he not do that? Also were retrospective birth registrations a common request?

Do you know where I would be able to find original petitions? I have been able to find baptismal record but not the birth records on ScotlandsPeople.

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What does it mean if the Register General of BMD published a notice for an applicant to submit evidence for the births of his children who were born before 1854?

My ancestor David Sword lived and worked in Edinburgh as an iron and brass founder. He moved away when the children were relatively young and it is unclear how much contact he had with his wife and two sons who remained in Dundee.  In 1868 the following notice (transcribed below) was published in the newspaper, and then was re-published several years later in 1871 (implying that he did not submit the required evidence). Despite the re-publication, I have not been able to find any evidence that his sons births were ever registered. Approximately 5 months after the second notice was published he and his wife left Scotland. The newspaper notices have me very confused because they make it sound as if David filed the petition to register his sons but then did not want to submit the evidence that was required to fulfill the registration. Would it have been possible that his wife or sons made the request and he didnt want to support it?

Dundee Courier
Tuesday May 12 1868
Page 1
Notice
A PETITION has been presented to the Sheriff of Forfarshire at Dundee David Sword, Ironfounder, Fountainbridge Foundry, Edinburgh, and residing in Edinburgh, for warrant to the Registrar-General of Births, Deaths, and Marriages in Scotland, to Register the Births the Petitioner's Sons, David and James, born respectively on 12th December, 1845, and 29th June, 1849; and the Sheriff-Substitute has appointed intimation of the said Petition be made at once in each of the Dundee Advertiser and Dundee Courier and Angus Newspapers, and the Petitioner to adduce evidence in support of his Petition; and parties interested to be heard, within the Sheriff Court-House, Dundee,

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Canada / Re: workplace accidents during WW2?
« on: Thursday 20 July 23 01:54 BST (UK)  »
If you believe that the event occurred in New Brunswick, you should try searching the provincial vital statistics database.
https://archives.gnb.ca/search/visse/default.aspx?culture=en-CA

You may also be able to find something in a newspaper. I know MyHeritage has historical Canadian newspapers as well as several other sites such as ProQuest (not sure this site has New Brunswick papers but they do have many others).

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