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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Common Pleas translation/abstract
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 03:17 GMT (UK)  »
Alluph ... drats. That makes it a red herring. He would have been the Richard atte leese who was in neighbouring Wye at the time. Mine was quite some distance away in Eastling. The good news is that trying to fit in a Richard of age in 1486 would really strain the lineage I've put together. So a red herring and my lineage remains intact (my Richard was a minor at the time).

Anyways, thanks again for the help .. and I of course give credit where it's due in my sources files.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Common Pleas translation/abstract
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 02:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that. Does it say which Boughton. You had a series of ...s after 'Boughton'. Could the next word have been have been Blean, Monchelsea or Aluph? Since it mentions Ashford (Esshetisford), it's most likely Boughton Aluph which points it to being a Richard atte Lese who was of Wye around that time.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with Common Pleas translation/abstract
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 00:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi folks,
I have a case from the Common Pleas rolls that I would like translated or at least an abstract with the gist of who, what, where and why.

The original is here: http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no895/bCP40no895dorses/IMG_0787.htm

The index summary gives this:
Richard Atlese & John Athoke, vs. Richard Ive & Maud his wife, re a covenant, Kent

There were several Richard atte Leses in kent in the mid to late 1400s and I'm hoping the details may shed light on which one is involved here.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: General question re 'feoffee to uses' and age
« on: Tuesday 11 March 25 07:22 GMT (UK)  »
Nice find re the funeral monument, but that Richard dsp and was survived by two nieces. Also the previous century. :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: General question re 'feoffee to uses' and age
« on: Tuesday 11 March 25 06:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Vance. That makes sense. There were two Richard's and this helps resolve which was the one mentioned in the chancery cases. The 2nd one died 1526, so he can't be the one in the cases.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: General question re 'feoffee to uses' and age
« on: Tuesday 11 March 25 05:51 GMT (UK)  »
as far as I know the defendants & plaintiffs were unrelated. To avoid confusion, the two cases are:
1. John Godeard and Hamond Terrie, executors of James Hoo, plaintiffs, vs. Robert, son of Richard atte Leese, late feoffee to uses, defendant, re a messuage and land at Northcrosse in Eseling [Eastling], Kent
2. Laurence at Water & Agnes, his wife, daughter of John, son of James at Hoo. vs. Robert, son and heir of Richard at Lese, feoffee to uses, re a messuage and land in Esling

Re-reading them it is possible to interpret it that Robert was the feoffee, he has died and the exec & heirs of James Hoo have taken the heir of the late (?) Richard to court, perhaps to retrieve James' lands which illegally ended up in Richard's hands?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: General question re 'feoffee to uses' and age
« on: Tuesday 11 March 25 04:56 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. There were two chancery cases, one with the plaintiffs being the executors of a will and in the other the plaintiff was the granddaughter of the testee & her husband, each vs. the same defendant, who was listed as the feoffee. The Feoffee was listed by name & also as the son & heir of his father (also named). Listing the defendant that way suggests to me that the original feoffee was the defendant's father & the defendant has inherited the feoffment. Is that plausible?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / General question re 'feoffee to uses' and age
« on: Tuesday 11 March 25 00:17 GMT (UK)  »
I couldn't find an obvious forum for this query, so apologies if this is the wrong place .. but I know regulars here will know the answer. :)

What I wanted to know is if there was a lower age limit on appointing someone as a feoffee to uses? Specifically, did they have to be 'of age' or could a child or even infant be so appointed? The time period here is the late 1400s.

I did try a web search for the answer, but couldn't find a obvious answer.

Thanks in advance.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with details from 1390s will
« on: Sunday 09 March 25 23:04 GMT (UK)  »
Forgot to add ...

Vance Mead: I'd already found the 1377 CP reference, tho' thanks for the extra details. He was a knight of the shire and sheriff, so he appears quite a bit in the surviving records. Quite a lot on him in the Close rolls.

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