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Travelling People / Re: Looking for HOLMES information, and possibly SEAGO
« on: Tuesday 11 October 22 00:00 BST (UK)  »
I have Romani DNA and I have a direct ancestor from Epping Forest:

GEORGE HOLMES of Epping Forest
BIRTH 1568 • Nazeing, Epping Forest District, Essex, England
DEATH 08 SEP 1637 • Nazeing, Epping Forest District, Essex, England

This is the only ancestral line I've been able to trace to a community known to have Romany, so I'm trying to confirm whether the Holmes family from that area was actually Romany.  George Holmes married Elizabeth Rooke, and I'm from the branch descended from their daughter Elizabeth Holmes who migrated to America and married Edward RIGGS whose family was also from Epping Forest.

If anyone has any information on on the HOLMES and/or RIGGS families from Epping Forest, please let me know.  My Gedmatch kit # is RL048381C1

Thank,

Debbie Gambrell


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Travelling People / Re: HOLMES James and Harriet 1871 cencus epsom
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 21:58 BST (UK)  »
I'm interested in the family of the Belcher Cooper mentioned.  We have Cooper ancestors, but my son's Y-DNA came back with a several Belcher DNA matches and it was a surname we had been unfamiliar with.  My son's Gedmatch kit # is DM7033472

Debbie Gambrell

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Travelling People / Re: HOLMES James and Harriet 1871 cencus epsom
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 21:54 BST (UK)  »
I have a line of Holmes ancestors from the Epping Forest District.  I have been trying to find out if they were Romany.   I wonder if they're related to your Holmes family.  My Gedmatch kit # is RL048381C1

Debbie Gambrell

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Travelling People / Re: Traveller Heritage?
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello All,

I'm new to this site. My Gedmatch kit # is RL048381C1.  I read in another post that the following parent/grandparent/great-grandparent info was suggested to be listed:

MY PARENTS:

Father: Thomas Billy 'Tom' Gambrell, born 19 APR 1926 - no idea where our ancestors came to America from other than speculation if 'may' have been Ireland.  The Gambrell name is seen with other variations - Gambrel, Gumbrel, Gamble, etc. and may not have even been the original biological name for all we know. 

Mother:  Roselle (she changed it to Roz) Morgan, born in 1930s, she's still alive and won't give us the exact date. lol  Her Morgan line came from Glamorganshire, Wales. 

I have done extensive work on my family tree for well over a decade, so I have lots of ancestral information but not so much on where my Roma / Romani ancestors came from or who they might be other than a Riggs / Holmes line from Epping Forest, Essex, UK seems one possibility.  They're farther back in my tree though.

MY PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS:
Emmett Solomon Gambrell, born 27 Dec 1894
Donia Mae Windham, born 5 Jun 1893 - orginally from the Wyndham family in Norfolk, England

MY MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS:
John Tyler Morgan Sr., born 22 August 1907
Bertha McLain, born 12 March 1915 - originally from McLean clan of Isle of Skye, Scotland

MY PATERNAL GREAT-GRANDPARENTS:

Parents of my paternal grandfather:
Father:  William Lawrence Gambrell, born 18 Jul 1862
Mother:  Robbie Adelaide Hester, born 23 May 1865 - orginally from England

Parents of my maternal grandmother:
Father: William Willis Windham, born 17 Nov 1853
Mother: Martha Matilda Blakeney, born 18 August 1855 - from the Blakeneys of Ireland who originated in England

MY MATERNAL GREAT-GRANDPARENTS:

Parents of my maternal grandfather:
Father: George Brown Morgan, born 8 December 1888
Mother: Poline (Pauline) Sumrall, born 8 February 1890 - her Sumrall surname has many variants used among the family branches, including Summerall, Summerell, Somervaill - originally from Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Parents of my maternal grandmother:
Hillard Clarence McLain, born  19 NOV 1883
Emily Elizabeth Rigdon, born  3 JULY 1885 - Rigdon line orginally from Kent, England

Farther back up my maternal line I have ancestors from Epping Forest, Essex, England - surnames Riggs and Holmes, possible Rooke.  I'm 'assuming' they were Roma / Romani, but I'd like to be more sure of that. 

We show Iberian (Spanish/Portuguese) DNA and South Asian, all of which I've read might be part of our Roma / Romani ancestry.  My son shows 21.8% Iberian on his My Heritage results, but we have no close Iberian ancestors.  We have a lot of Native American ancestral lines on both sides of my family tree and I've been told Roma / Romani is mingled into that and their history lost as they began to identify as Native Americans, which fits with what was going on in America among ethnic groups and fits with the DNA triangulations of my cousins in America with Native American ancestry and matches from the Romany Research UK group on Facebook a few years ago. 

I match the DNA in the http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/dna.php study, to one degree or another, depending on the Gedmatch settings used - 100/5 or 100/3.   Also, it's interesting that there are the New Forest and Epping Forest communities in the UK and communities by the very same names in early America, to which I have connections.  So, lots of clues but nothing I can nail down for sure as my Roma / Romani ancestral connections so far. 

Thanks in advance for any feedback, information, etc. that might help me on my search. 

Debbie Gambrell








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Travelling People / Re: Osborne and Gumble Family
« on: Tuesday 05 July 22 20:59 BST (UK)  »
The Gumble name caught my attention because my maiden name is Gambrell and we really have no proof of where our family came to American from.  It is 'tradition' that they may have come from Ireland to America, but no proof of that.  I've seen Gumble shown as a possible variation of Gambrell.  In DNA research, we 'thought' at one time we're related to the Gambrel / Gumbrel / etc. family from Kent, but it seems DNA has disproved that.  Years ago I communicated with someone at a parish office in Kent, England and she suggested that maybe our surname was an alias due to an illegitimate child and that the biological name is actually something else.  So, lots of speculation and not much else surrounding my maiden name.

I know it's a longshot, but 'just in case', my Gedmatch kit # is RL048381C1.   My DNA consultants results and my Gedmatch admixture do show I have Roma / Romani DNA.  I also compared my kits to those here:

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/dna.php

and I match all, to one degree or another, depending on the settings used.  Also, I've been curious about the New Forest and Epping Forest communities because those names were also given to communities in Colonial America to which I have connections.  I have multiple lines of Native American ancestry and have been told that the early Romani to America often blended in with them and over time their ancestral identify was lost, as they began to identify with the Native Americans.  That makes sense with what was happening ethnically in this country and fits with my DNA.  Still, like anyone, I hope to find the actual ancestors if I can. 

My son and I also show Iberian (Portuguese and Spanish) DNA.  My son's is 21.8% and we have no close Iberian ancestors.  He also shows Finnish which I have read can be part of our Native American or part of our Romani.  I'm thinking in cases like ours, it's perhaps not an either/or but a both. 

For a while I participated in a Romany Research UK group and I match with almost everyone but no idea 'how'.  I even found a member of the group who shows as my 5th-8th cousin in my DNA matches on Ancestry.  She and her family are from Wales.  I match every Gedmatch kit# from her kinfolk that she shared with me.  We shared our trees with each other and still never found how we're related. 

I added a lot of known family lines to my Ancestry tree in hopes of finding how I'm related to them.  Still have no clue.  I did find one ancestral line of mine that 'may' be what I've been looking for.  Maybe someone on here can confirm or refute this for me.  This is a 9th great-grandfather of mine who immigrated from Epping Forest UK to America:

Edward Riggs II, Sgt. in the Pequot War of 1637*
BIRTH ABT. 1619 • Nazeing, Epping Forest District, Essex, England
 DEATH: 05 MAR 1667 • Newark, Essex County, New Jersey, Colonial America

His father Edward Riggs I wasn't from Epping Forest, but his mother Elizabeth (Holmes) Riggs was:

Elizabeth (Holmes) Riggs of Epping Forest
BIRTH ABT. 1590 • Nazeing, Epping Forest District, Essex, England

Elizabeth's father was also from Epping Forest.  His wife's maiden name may have been Rooke.  I haven't traced back any farther than them.

If anyone recognizes these family lines or can tell me more about the Nazeing community in Epping Forest District, that would be much appreciated.   


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