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Travelling People / Re: Looking for Nawken Ancestors & Living Relatives
« on: Thursday 01 February 24 04:37 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: audrey69 on Wednesday 24 January 24 03:39 GMT (UK)
Hello Maryjanna,

I am searching for Marks' in Waterford including some called Patrick. Do you have any further details on your Patrick Marks who married Margaret Todd please?

Hey Audrey,

Unfortunately, I have very little information on him, he's quite the mystery relative. I have tracked down a couple of documents related to him after my family immigrated, but between the 1928 document of his move to Buffalo, NY and Margaret Todd's remarriage in 1929 to Robert Watson, he isn't mentioned and we have no idea what happened to him after 1928. I know that Patrick Marks and Margaret Todd sailed from Scotland on the Metagama to Canada, that their infant son died shortly after their arrival but their other children survived immigration, one 1928 document showing Margaret Todd traveling to Canada lists a Toronto address for Patrick Marks, and that they moved a few times before Patrick Marks disappears. In his move to Buffalo, it says his contact is his brother-in-law, William Todd, who married a Nina Manning in 1939, but Patrick Marks isn't mentioned as a witness or anything in that document. The documents are too large to attached to this post, but if you're interested in them, I am happy to pass them along another way. I don't currently have too much more than that. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

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Travelling People / Looking for Nawken Ancestors & Living Relatives
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
I recently bought my kit that is still being processed, but I already know that I have Nawken Traveller and a little Romani ancestry, possibly Mincéir Traveller too. I grew up on stories about my Nawken ancestors from the Todd & Drummond "breeds" of the Scottish Lowlands/Border. We also had McMillans, McGregors, Dochertys, & Andersons marry into the family along the way, but we are mostly Todd-Drummonds. Our possible Mincéir family name is Marks from my great great grandfather, Patrick Marks of Waterford, Ireland, who married my great great grandmother, Margaret Todd in Camlachie, Scotland.

My family was supposedly able to travel to Canada after a relative came into some money due to a lawsuit from a train accident & offered to help some of the family immigrate to escape the anti-Traveller hate in the UK. At some point in the late 80's, early 90's, my great grandmother tried to reconnect with her family in Scotland, but was told there was "too much bad blood", the reason why has been lost in the family lore.

I would really love to be able to reconnect with other members of my Nawken family, in the states, Canada, or Scotland. I know the chances are slim, but I would really love to be able to confirm whether or not my g. g. grandfather was Mincéir. There is a lot of mystery in my branch of the family surrounding him & his disappearance in the late 1920's after they immigrated.

If there is anyone with Traveller heritage around the Scottish Lowlands, Scottish-English Border, Northern England, or around Waterford, Ireland please feel free to reach out. I have an Ancestry.com tree if anyone else is on Ancestry & would like to see if we have any connections.

Some of the surnames & locations of families I've been able to find are:
Anderson - England & Scotland   
Anderson\Todd - Northumberland, England   
Crawford? - Northumberland, England   
Docherty - Ireland   
Docherty\Todd - Berwickshire, Scotland   
Drummond - Scotland   
Drummond\Todd - Northumberland, England   
Marks - Waterford, Ireland   
McDonald\MacDonald   Scotland   
Mcmillan\Doherty - Dumfriesshire, Scotland   
McMillan\MacMillan - Scotland   
Todd - Scotland   
Todd\Drummond - Northumberland, England   
Watson - Scotland   
Watson\Drummond - Perthshire, Scotland

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Travelling People / Re: Is Mullin a pavee name
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:24 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Mullin on Thursday 05 January 23 00:09 GMT (UK)
Looking for info on mullin & Clayton's surnames  :)

Mulleyn and Mullinger are listed as Traveller surnames by Robert Dawson, who is a reputable scholar on Romani & Traveller heritage. It is possible that the surname of your family changed over time, but it's equally possible that it is unrelated. Unfortunately, a lot of Traveller surnames are not unique to them, but are often shared by much of the non-Traveller population.

See Celtic Travellers

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Travelling People / Re: Irish traveller surnames
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: maggbill on Sunday 27 October 19 06:52 GMT (UK)
Sorry to be dumb - but can someone tell me the actual "definition" of a "Pav"???  What is a Pav - an Irish traveller?  is it a name/description which is accepted or not ??

Pavee is one of two names that Irish Travellers use to describe themselves, the other being Mincéir, which comes from their cant language, Shelta.

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Travelling People / Re: Irish traveller surnames
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:09 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Murrell on Wednesday 02 October 19 20:24 BST (UK)
My grandmother was a Ward and she has proved difficult to find on a paper trail. She married a Power which isn't a traveller name and he was ok to find.
I get the impression that travellers arnt that fussed about documention. But oh how difficult when trying to build a family tree no birth certificate. How hum one day maybe. ☺

Travellers are infamous for their poor documentation. Typically they appear on documents for births, baptisms, marriages, and deaths, but it gets confusing because they might intentionally obscure where they are from by changing birth places, dates, and names on different documents. My g. grandmother had one birth name that was the same as her mother's but then later, her name changed and that was the name she went by for the rest of her life. That seems like a common practice, which can make them incredibly difficult to track and verify.

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Travelling People / Re: Irish traveller surnames
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:06 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Steve G on Friday 25 January 19 21:19 GMT (UK)
A Pav (Pavee) is an Irish Gypsy.

How does one 'become' a Gypsy / Traveler? Depends on ones personal definition. Could vary from being directly descended from people who came out of India, a very long time ago.

Or, one could ~ last I knew ~ for example; Claim 'Gypsyship Under Statute'. There being a UK statute which defines what a Gypsy is. Basically, one who lives a normally nomadic existence and earns their living that way.

Can of worms there .....  :-X

This is tricky, which is why I always specify Traveller vs Romani because the term G*psy is used by some Travellers to describe themselves, including my Nawken family, but since that term was originally created to describe Roma, I do not apply it to Travellers to avoid this exact confusion.

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Travelling People / Re: Irish traveller surnames
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: cwtch on Saturday 14 May 16 13:46 BST (UK)
My gran came from Waterford, her last name was Rafferty

I have an Irish ancestor who came from Waterford too whom I suspect may have been a Mincéir, but he kind of vanished in the 1920's somewhere in either around the Canadian border to New York or New Jersey. His surname is Marks, which I have seen on lists as a known Traveller surname.

Here is a compiled list of known surnames for Travellers & Romani families, which unfortunately includes a lot of very generic names that many gadje families have: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/celtic-traveller/about/background

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