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Armed Forces / Re: William Armstrong 36th foot regiment.
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 18:39 BST (UK)  »
Apologies Shaun, but my point is the same. TNA also say that the 1816 rolls have not been digitised.  If you have found them on Ancestry, clearly the TNA Discovery entry is out of date. Quite possibly all of the rolls for the 36th for that period (c. 1800 - 1820) have likewise been digitised which will make eileendavid's job a bit easier.

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Armed Forces / Re: William Armstrong 36th foot regiment.
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 17:03 BST (UK)  »
The muster and pay rolls are a bit like a school attendance register. They merely note a soldier's presence in order to account for his pay. You can only deduce his date of enlistment from the date he first appears in the rolls, but of course this may not be definitive. Similarly the absence of his name might be for a number of reasons, including desertion, being in prison or in hospital, having been transferred to the other battalion, or of course because he has been discharged.

By the way, I am puzzled by Shaun's reference to the muster rolls for 1818 appearing to be on Ancestry. TNA specifically says the rolls for that year have not been digitised. The TNA entry may be out of date.

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Armed Forces / Re: William Armstrong 36th foot regiment.
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 16:36 BST (UK)  »
The muster rolls have not been digitised. You can find them at TNA in the following series:


1st Battalion

WO12 / 5028 for the year 1800
to
WO 12 /5039 for the years 1817-1818

2nd Battalion

WO12 /5097 for the years 1807-09
to
WO12 /5099 for the year 1814 (to October only)

You will not find his date of birth in the muster rolls. They are also unlikely to tell you exactly when he was discharged if he deserted and was not subsequently found. All that will have happened is that his name will no longer show up in the muster rolls. While the 1st Battalion was fighting in the Peninsular Wars, the 2nd Battalion will have acted as the depot back in Britain, therefore you may need to look at both sets of rolls to determine when he enlisted.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: White Rose of York
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Possibly the 'War' aspect you are thinking of is the connection between roses and the Battle of Minden in 1759. The successor regiments to those which fought on the British side at that battle still wear various colours of rose on Minden Day which is on 1 August. In the case of the white rose, this was worn by the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry and also formed the centre of their capbadge. Today the KOYLI Regiment is incorporated in The Rifles and has lost its identity, although the practice of wearing a white rose on Minden Day continues.

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Armed Forces / Re: William Armstrong 36th foot regiment.
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 15:40 BST (UK)  »
In February 1814 the 36th (Herefordshire) Foot Regiment consisted of two battalions. The 1st Battalion was fighting in the Battle of Orthez in Southern France so it is unlikely that he was serving in that battalion, unless he had been wounded in an earlier part of the campaign (the Peninsular War) and had been shipped back to Britain to recuperate or be discharged as no longer fit for service. Or he might have been a member of the 2nd Battalion which was then stationed in Brighton, but was well under strength. Indeed the 2nd Battalion was disbanded in October 1814 and its remaining soldiers transferred to the 1st Battalion when it returned to Britain in August.

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The Common Room / Re: Mysterious Occupation for an Interesting Chap
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 09:38 BST (UK)  »
Just for the sake of completeness, here's more information about his dodgy character. It's from a London, England newspaper of 26 October 1913.

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Armed Forces Resources / Re: Army births, Overseas.
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 19:49 BST (UK)  »
Alternatively, if you live near one of these libraries:

The Library of Birmingham
Bridgend Local and Family History Centre
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Manchester Central Library
Newcastle City Library
Plymouth Central Library and
The British Library

you can consult the GRO microfiche to get the relevant reference. The GRO do not provide online search facilities for this Register.

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Armed Forces Resources / Re: Army births, Overseas.
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 19:42 BST (UK)  »
If you have a subscription, you can use the FindMyPast catalogue British Armed Forces and Overseas Births and Baptisms which will give the reference(s) to the GRO Overseas Births Register

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The Common Room / Re: What is a W. A. S. Inspection (Eng)? (1939 REGISTER)
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 11:37 BST (UK)  »
War Agency Survey Inspection. Abbreviation was used to indicate that the individual was employed by a war-related agency and subject to a survey or inspection.
Sandra, I can't tell if this is just a guess, or if you have some source to back this up.

I am dubious for three reasons. First, this was September 1939 so while there was a War Office, most other government organisations still had their peacetime title. Technically speaking the country had only been at war for 27 days at that point. I can find no mention of a War Agency in TNA, Hansard* or elsewhere. Secondly "Survey Inspection" is tautologous. since in this context they mean the same thing. And lastly, in 1941 the War Damage Commission was set up to inspect and assess the damage to real property ('hereditaments') caused by enemy action, principally bombing, and to award payments to cover the cost of repair. If there had been a pre-existing Agency such as the one you mention I would have expected this fact to be noted in the War Damage Act 1941 since no doubt the War Damage Commission would have subsumed some or all of the duties of the earlier agency.

* there is one reference in Hansard between 1 January 1930 and 31 Dec 1945 to a 'Central Prisoners of War Agency'.

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