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Messages - Andy J2022

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Yesterday at 22:49 »
On the other hand if you use google street view to move a little further East to number 38-40 there is similar architecture on that building.

Also, I wonder if stevelord65 has noticed that the building (number 34 London Road) on the other side of Hotham street is called the Drapery. In the 1871 census John Lloyd was referring to himself and his business as a Draper's.

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Yesterday at 22:38 »
I was looking at the window styles and pattern of the frontage of the Blind School in that old engraving and was struck by the many similarities with the upper storey frontage of 28-32 London Road today

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDBW7HUNzxNkqiq88
Yes I agree, hence my earlier comment "and may have reused some of the architectural stoneworK..."

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Yesterday at 21:41 »
And perhaps the school building, or parts of it, did survive into the 1860s ...
Certainly parts may have survived, but not the front part, because the press cuttings above are dated March 1862 and by then Messrs Vey, Eustance etc are occupying numbers 26 to 32 London Road. The school building had a single front entrance and so would not have had multiple numbers as its address.

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The Common Room / Re: VAD - Red Cross Records
« on: Yesterday at 17:03 »
The source for the FindMyPast collection of the same name has been published in book form: British Red Cross Register of Overseas Volunteers, 1914-1918 but since it is quite costly, you might try and get a copy through your local library. However it's not clear how much additional detail might be available concerning Daisy, beyond what is already on FindMyPast.

As you mention the Red Cross site doesn't produce anything for Daisy.

The only other place you might try is the Museum of the Order of St John. They worked in tandem with the British Red Cross VADs during WW1 and so it is possible that Daisy worked in one of their hospitals.

And a real long shot, try looking for her via some of the tips and links on the Scarlet Finders website. The website was set up by Sue Light who also compiled the British Red Cross Register of Overseas Volunteers, 1914-1918 database. Sadly Sue died in 2018.

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Yesterday at 16:19 »
Looking at the other, much clearer image from the article about the founding of the Blind School (shown below) I don't think the front on London Road was remodelled to become the post 1851 version. The image below shows that the central portion of the old building projected forward slightly from the two single storey wings. They probably took it down to the foundations of the original building so that the new building had a similar footprint, and may have reused some of the architectural stonework, but other than that I think the current building completely dates from the second half of the nineteenth century.

Based on the 1871 census when there are 14 people living at number 32, I think the premises must have extended out to the rear, along Hotham Street, some distance as shown on the town plan for there to have been space for warehouse storage there as well.  I doubt very much that the bricked up window had anything to do with the window tax. It could be a much more modern alteration, perhaps following the remodelling in the late 1940s/early 1950s when the cinema was built next door.

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World War Two / Re: Tom Nicholas Neale WW2
« on: Yesterday at 08:02 »
Chris,
His WW2 service record will probably not yet be available online. It will be at the National Archives in the process of being catalogued. If you have an Ancestry account, keep checking there for him as Ancestry have the contract to digitise the records of men born over 115 years ago.
I wouldn't assume that he went back into the RASC. In any case he would have been issued a new Army number, although it is possible that his WW2 record will refer to his previous service.
If you wanted to speed up the process of getting his record, contact the MOD and they will supply you with a reference number (not his Army number) which will then allow you to ask TNA to release his record as a photocopy. Without the reference number TNA will be unlikely to find the record among the 9 million they are currently processing.
MOD Process
TNA Process

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Saturday 31 May 25 19:44 BST (UK)  »
Incidentally the streetview image below is what the front of the buildings looked like in September 2008. Assuming the missing two buildings, where the Odeon is, were a mirror of number 30 and 32, the thinner, slightly set-back, central part of the building in between the Picture House Pub and the Odeon Cinema could well have been where the main entrance to the School was located (see extract of map below showing the School facade on London Road).

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Saturday 31 May 25 19:27 BST (UK)  »
There appears to be a blocked out window.
Window tax was introduced in England and Wales in 1696. It was repealed in 1851. Suggests the building was built before 1851.
We know from the map that AlanBoyd posted earlier, surveyed in 1848, that the previous structure was the Blind Indigent Schools which the current Nos 28, 30 and 32 might have formed part of, probably the main entrance to the School. However by the 1851 census number 32 was a separate, self contained dwelling. The occupants were Morgan Radcliffe 48 a ship's carpenter, his wife, daughter, son, an assistant and an apprentice. I haven't been able to find the 1861 occupant, but by 1871 John Lloyd aged 41 Draper plus 13 draper's assistants or domestic staff are occupying 32 London Road and Joseph Naylor and family are at number 30, tying in with the directory entries Shaun posted. In 1861 John Lloyd 31 Draper's Assistant and his wife Ellen were living at 121 Park Road, West Derby.

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The Common Room / Re: How old is this building?
« on: Saturday 31 May 25 15:59 BST (UK)  »
Just in case anyone doubts that the satellite image and the town plan are misaligned, look further South to the rail tracks in Lime Street station

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