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London and Middlesex / Re: Lt Col JAMES ROBERT KENNEDY 1917
« on: Saturday 15 November 25 22:01 GMT (UK)  »
He appears to have died intestate. A Board of Adjustment was convened by the Army in India to dispose of his belongings which were auctioned, and deal with his debts. His widow declined to be responsible for his debts as she was living on a small pension. In her letter to the Board she said that Lt Col Kennedy died in hospital. She also mentioned that the letter to her from the Board had been forwarded to her in London by a Mr Kennedy in Ireland.
There is no mention in the Board's documentation (about 10 pages worth on FindMyPast) of any funeral expenses or details, so I assume his widow handled that. I'm guessing it wouldn't have been a lavish funeral.

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Armed Forces / Re: Ministry of Defence and National Archives debacle
« on: Friday 14 November 25 19:53 GMT (UK)  »
Well I don't want to confuse the issue even more with my theories about what may be going on.  Could I suggest that you email TNA on Monday using the address from which they sent you the message that they had the documents, and ask for clarification, reminding them that you have already paid for the service.

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Armed Forces / Re: Ministry of Defence and National Archives debacle
« on: Friday 14 November 25 17:22 GMT (UK)  »
I get the sense that you are confusing the two organisations. If TNA have said they have your father's record I can't see that it matters what the MOD say. 

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Armed Forces / Re: Ministry of Defence and National Archives debacle
« on: Friday 14 November 25 16:05 GMT (UK)  »
Well assuming that TNA have located your father's records, all should be OK. I seem to recall that your father was Pte Godderidge 11400830, and TNA certainly should have his records, rather than the MOD. However my understanding was that the MOD had retained their indexes to the records which they had transferred to TNA, so it is somewhat surprising if they say they can't identify where your father's record is.

This situation is at the heart of why it is taking TNA so long to re-index and catalogue the MOD Files. It may help if I outline the old MOD system. Prior to 1996 each of the larger Corps (eg the Royal Engineers or Royal Artillery) and groups of Infantry Regiments had their own Manning and Record Offices, which were dotted all over the country. Each maintained their own soldiers' careers and documentation and the 'central staffs' (as they are referred to) had no direct knowledge about individual soldiers. The Army Personnel Centre in Kentigern House in Glasgow was created to bring all these separate outlying offices together in one building - and in the process lost most of the old staff who weren't prepared to move to Glasgow from places like Exeter or Brighton.

But even within the new APC structure, the separate Corps and Infantry Divisions maintained their own sections, with just the administrative support being shared. Individual clerks would know a great deal about the soldiers they looked after, even though they had never met them. Once a soldier left the Army his record would be archived but kept close at hand, in case there were matters concerning his later life (eg pensions but also welfare cases). In almost all case the MOD will have recorded when a soldier died even if this was decades after he had left.  As you can imagine although standard forms and procedures were used to document a soldier, his actual file could be a mishmash of different pieces of paper. In theory digitisation was suppoed to reduce the amount of paper, but even so a personal file would still be held in paper form (as I believe it still is today) alongside any digital records. Obviously the soldier's Army number was the key identifier, but for day to day management purposes it is the trade and rank of the individual which matters. So to take an example of a Royal Engineer, a combat Engineer Lance Corporal's career would be dealt with by a separate section to the one dealing with Electrician Sergeants.

As the time arrived to transfer the older (pre 1969) files to TNA, they had to be dug out from their various repositories, palletted up and sent off to Kew accompanied by a sort of manifest showing the contents of each pallet. Due to the age of the documents concerned, covering the period from 1920 to 1969, the records were in a number of formats. For example true Army-wide numbering was not introduced until 1950. Prior to that date numbers were issued in blocks to the various regiments and corps to allocate as they saw fit. This meant that there were many unallocated numbers. After 1950 the numbers were issued to an individual centrally based on when he enlisted and there were no gaps in the numbers issued. 

The staff at Kew had no intimate knowledge of the various systems of indexing used by the MOD and before 1964, the War Office. Hence they started with the first pallet of documents and painstaking went through the files and re indexed them, extracting the information they required for the Discovery database. That is why some of the earliest files to be processed were a relatively small batch of  56,000 REME soldiers which can be found in WO 420. REME was not formed until 1943 and so the time period concerned was much shorter than dealing with files going back to 1920.

If you have 13 minutes to spare, this video produced by TNA explains the work behind the cataloguing process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpCgYrp19Bc

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Kent / Re: Marriage Lewisham 1972
« on: Friday 14 November 25 14:52 GMT (UK)  »
I have checked all the online resources I am aware of and none have parish register details later than 1936 for Lewisham. Bear in mind there are several parishes in the Borough of Lewisham, and even more within the area covered by Lewisham Register Office.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Captain mystery
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Wex, as I noted earlier, nothing turns up for David S[tanley] Jones with the number 15650.  As far as I am aware the records retained by the Grenadier Guards have all been transferred to TNA and have been indexed although not necessarily digitised. However nothing comes up on Discovery for any of the permutations of David / Stanley / Jones or the number 15650 in WO437 (the Gren Gds muster books). The actual service records of former Guardsmen form part of the large tranche of documents sent to TNA as part of the MOD transfer, and have not yet been accessioned.

I'm not entirely sure where the OP found that number for his great great grandfather so it's hard to advise on where else to look. It may be easier to get his WW2 record with the Queen's Own West Surreys, and work back from there.


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Kent / Re: Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 07:49 GMT (UK)  »
If you are looking for historic maps of the area go to the National library of Scotland collection. You can use their side-by-side feature to compare an 1830s map with a modern map of the same area.
If you are are looking for land ownership records, then I would start with tithe maps for the area. You may find these in the Kent Archives in Maidstone, although it is possible that given the proximity of Plumstead etc to London (and obviously today they are part of London), the London Archives may also hold relevant records. The London Archives are currently closed for their annual stocktaking. And one other archive which might be worth checking is at Charlton House in Greenwich. This is the official archive for Greenwich Borough Council.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Captain mystery
« on: Tuesday 11 November 25 16:31 GMT (UK)  »
Given his age at the start of the Second World War (48) I think it unlikely that he would have been given a platoon to command. It is more likely that he would have had a training or administrative role, possibly as a quartermaster or motor transport Officer (MTO).

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Captain mystery
« on: Tuesday 11 November 25 16:26 GMT (UK)  »
The Surrey History Centre holds some documentation on the Queen's Own (West Surrey) Regiment. Might be worth a call.

You can obtain his service record from the MOD but be prepared for a lengthy wait.

Without knowing which battalion he served with  I can't say much about his war. If he was with the 1st or 2nd Battalions he would have spent most of his time in India and Burma. The TA battalions were in North Africa and Italy.

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