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Messages - Biggles50

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DNA releases the skeletons.

People moved in the distant past for many reasons and as such finding the Why can be difficult if not impossible but DNA proves that it did happen.  There can be no documentary evidence, just DNA to substantiate any hypothesis.

All of us who have been using DNA for years will each have our takes to tell.

As an example.

My highest unknown DNA match is a lady who shares 364cM with me.  My Parentage is known and proved via DNA, with my Paternal Grandmother being Italian.  My Paternal Grandfather is another matter, as there are no records or evidence at all about him with only his Birth record showing “parents”. 

His parentage cannot be correct, he has to have been “adopted” it is the only scenario that works with the 364cM match and all the other Shared Matches that are in my tree. 

It looks like my Biological Great Grandfather had a relationship with a member of my 364cM’s family and their child, with my Grandfather being adopted.  I can substantiate this by the fact that my Great Grandfather’s Wife has nobody in her line with whom neither I or my Half Sister shares any DNA.

In my tree is a person who deserted his Wife and children, by going to Australia using his Mother’s maiden name, once in Australia he resumed using his birth name.

In my Wife’s tree a GG Uncle deserted his Wife and two children by emigrating to the USA.  His Wife remarried shortly after his departure and he remarried in the USA.  It was only via a few DNA Matches that we can prove that this occurred.

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DNA is accurate in proving relationships.

There is a caveat though, in that with matches sharing 10cM and lower can be false positives.

Statistically Second Cousins share DNA in the range 41-592cM which is very reliable.

Look up the Leeds Method, which is a cluster type method, it may help you understand more.

Alas not responding is typical of shared DNA matches, my first significant none responder shares 240cM with me and that took 5 years to resolve, he did have a family tree, him and his Dad but that was enough and that tree now has 1700 people who are either of Irish or Italian origins.

Is DNA evidence enough……well my counter argument to the doubters is that paper trails alone can be and in my own case very wrong.  In my many GRO BMD certificates 3 are in error including my own birth certificate.  I will only have DNA to prove that my registered Father was not my Biological Father yet my Half Sister and I share 1800cM so there is no doubt who was my Father.

DNA validating each branch in your tree should be the goal, for that means the tree is Biological as opposed to a Genealogical tree which relies only on documents and citations.  A biological tree may or may not be accurate, for all it takes to be in error is the product of an unknown affair to be born and brought up as an offspring of a person who has no biological relationship to them.

Do look up the BBC Sounds series The Gift, there as two seasons of DNA stories.  One tells of a guy who spent 30 years building his family tree only to find via a DNA test that he had no shared matches that he could resolve, he was adopted and never told.

Do read through https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863488.0


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Starting out
« on: Thursday 19 June 25 22:13 BST (UK)  »
Read this.

https://www.pubhistorysociety.co.uk/PDF-Dowloads/ancestors.pdf

Any Publican has to be Licensed and there should be records in the County Archives, where they may or may not be digitised and available online.

Archives in Yorkshire are split up in different locations and West Yorkshire Archive Services hold the records for Leeds.  Do be advised the websites of many Archives are very difficult to navigate and can return zero results when they are actually records existing.

Alas the only way may be a personal visit or if that is not possible a paid for search.

I have just looked up Stuart Fry on Newspapers in Find My Past and nothing, there is the British Newspaper Archive that may have online records for the Fry’s but I do not subscribe to it.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Starting out
« on: Thursday 19 June 25 10:42 BST (UK)  »
Taking a DNA yourself is the only way that you can be sure of your Parentage.

As you have an idea of who your Father was then a logical way forward would be to trace his lineage and try to identify if you have a half sibling or half siblings, as I stated in my last post, this has worked for me.

If you find any half siblings do approach them and eventually ask if they would be willing to take a DNA test.  If successful they are likely to share about 1800 cM with you.

If you cannot find any offspring of his or if they refuse to take a DNA test then look at his siblings and their children, or cousins of his who share the same Grandfather as you are likely to share.

Build a separate tree for your likely Father.

Birth Certificates can be falsified, my own has a Father listed but he was not my Biological Father.

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Family History Programs, Tree Organisation, Presentation / Re: Software opinions
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 22:40 BST (UK)  »
Alas there is no magic wand, just hard graft getting to use the software.

I suggest that you seek out Video Tutorials on the Apps that have been listed prior.

Roots Magic, the tutorial is for the prior version but is still valid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfXNymgNN0&t=3s

Family Tree Maker, do note and bookmark Family History Fanatics as they have masses of excellent video tutorials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76hve0ivoL

MacFamily Tree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAnZjY64J4w&list=PL6Yh1ds5dzZ_o1f0f-tMKAyiYtz9j5Bd5




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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Starting out
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Welcome.

If you read through this thread it will help.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863488.0

DNA is a mammoth subject in itself and often it can be a waiting game before brickwalls can be solved but alas not all can, that in itself is not a limitation of the DNA process it is the lack of applicable “relations” taking a DNA test themselves and posting useful information about themselves.

I took my DNA test in 2017 and had a closeish DNA match who shares 110cM with me and it was only in 2024 that another person who tested and was shared between the three of us that I could ID positively my 110cM match.

Additionally last year I met my Half Sister for the first time, DNA proved our relationship with each other.

Have patience and learn, it is fascinating.

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The Lighter Side / UK fines 23&Me
« on: Tuesday 17 June 25 15:59 BST (UK)  »
From BBC News.
DNA testing firm 23andMe has been fined £2.31m by a UK watchdog over a data breach in 2023 which affected thousands of people.
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Good luck UK in recouping the Legal Fees and the Fine.

Cannot see whoever buys the Bankrupt 23&Me keen to pay up.

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We need a bit more information to offer effective suggestions, but no software is Idiot Proof.

Assuming you are seeking Genealogy Software, Roots Magic, Family Tree Maker, Reunion, MacFamilyTree are all the ones that we have on our MacBook.  I cannot comment on other Apps other than some like Legacy and Family Historian do not have versions for the MacOS, they can be used but they need a Third Party App to enable them to function.

There are Pros and Cons with each.

Both Roots Magic and Family Tree Maker can download and sync a Family Tree in full, including documents and media off Ancestry.  The error checking tools in Roots Magic are very useful and simple to use.

Using a Gedcom to create a Family Tree in software does not include documents and media, just the references, so a big plus for the feature in the software.

Word Processing and Spreadsheet software is free, Pages and Numbers are in the App Store.  Presentation software such as Keynote is also free as is other of Apples own software.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Who Do You Think You Are (UK) - series 22 announced
« on: Wednesday 11 June 25 21:31 BST (UK)  »
As for the Will Young show . It was entertaining and good to hear about the Grandfather's life . The only part I thought was "corny" was going back 14 generations to a King!. This is too far back .

I have 14 generations going back from myself!
Add in my daughters and grandchildren and I have 16 generations on my tree.

I don't consider that as "too far back".

My Wife’s direct line goes back to her 40x Great Grandparents.

Tis only numbers, find one Gateway and things go ballistic.

You find a direct relationship not only to King Edward II, he who was disposed of allegedly by use of a red hot poker but also to the family who orchestrated his demise.

BTW.  My Half Brother’s direct line goes back to the same pair of xGreat Grandparents.

Downside being my Mrs is a distant Cousin of Danny Dyer and Boris Johnson and all the other celebrities who have royal lineage.


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