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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry SideView Technology to be Extended
« on: Sunday 16 October 22 00:50 BST (UK)  »
They didn't do so well with my matches. Most of them are right but most of them are easy, the wrong ones all have Irish ancestry, so far at least.

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Thursday 15 September 22 19:40 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jonw65 on Tuesday 13 September 22 22:45 BST (UK)
Quote from: middlesbrough on Sunday 11 September 22 21:50 BST (UK)
Could this be Michael Green Snr
Michael Green, furnaceman, Barbers Court, for being drunk and disorderly in College St on the 19th inst

Or it could be Michael junior, who was also a furnaceman on his marriage cert in 1888.
There are Militia papers x2 for Michael Green born Swansea. Same person?

Same person. According to his military papers he was born Nov 1867, same year his younger sister was born. In 1871 Census, his birth year 1865, Mary is 1867. Maybe the first census is actually wrong but that would be odd. Also he always claims to be born in St Josephs but Mary claims to be born in Waterford.

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Thursday 15 September 22 18:34 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 13 September 22 22:35 BST (UK)
There's a jail record of a Bridget Green b Co Waterford c 1844 being convicted of assault and beating of Johanna Hancock in 1890 and given 7 days. Her first offence. Described as married

Same Bridget. Her youngest daughter, Catherine, was also arrested. I don't know why it says married. Her name didn't change and there is no evidence of Michael or any man living with her.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Evans and Lewis issues around Merthyr
« on: Monday 12 September 22 04:24 BST (UK)  »
Searched the GRO for children born to Bodger 1840s Merthyr
Berman Lewis 1842.
Maria 1843
Thomas 1846
Ann 1846

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Is MyHeritage usually wrong?
« on: Monday 12 September 22 04:02 BST (UK)  »
Myheritage, ftdna, gedmatch, ethnicities are old and outdated. 23andme is very generic. Ancestry is the only company I give any credence to and it matches my tree pretty well.

Ethnicity testing is very complex. The best bet is to read Ancestry's white papers on the subject, they explain it in common language. They don't test all of your genome. Some parts are common and everyone has them so they chop those out. The rest is cut into pieces and compared to test panels. Every company decides what to keep and what to chop. If you upload your DNA from different companies to a 3rd party, you will get different results because of the differences in how each company manipulates the DNA. I wouldn't pay any attention to small percentages.

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Monday 12 September 22 00:19 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jonw65 on Sunday 11 September 22 22:20 BST (UK)
Quote from: plentyn coll on Sunday 11 September 22 20:52 BST (UK)
It seems to have worked. Between 1875-78, Bridget was listed with the following addresses, but was also listed as living outdoors, so basically transient.

She was receiving out-door relief.
It means outside of the workhouse, not that she was on the streets. Her addresses are given.

Thank you for the clarification. I believe she eventually died in a workhouse.

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Monday 12 September 22 00:11 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: middlesbrough on Sunday 11 September 22 21:50 BST (UK)
Could this be Michael Green Snr

Herald of Wales, 23 June, 1888

Police court Swansea.

Michael Green, furnaceman, Barbers Court, for being drunk and disorderly in College St on the 19th inst
Was fined 10s including costs or 7 days.

Could be if he was alive and living in Swansea. His son and wife claimed he was deceased by then but I have no evidence of life or death.

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Sunday 11 September 22 20:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Talacharn on Sunday 11 September 22 12:09 BST (UK)
Could this be Michael Jnr.? The age fits and Green is not a common name in Wales.

The Cambrian . 15th March 1878 . News . p.7
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3333569/3333576/47/
COUNTY BUSINESS . STEALING AN UMBRELLA
Michael Green, a boy about 12 years of age, was charged by P.C. Llewellyn. of the county constabulary, with stealing an umbrella, the property of David Jeremy, from his stall at Llangafalach Fair, on Wednesday.

Mr. Brines, solicitor, who appeared for the prisoner, produced a certificate from the master of the school which prisoner attended, giving him a very excellent character. Mr. Chiswick, C E deposed that he had known the mother of defendant for the last five or six years. She had been coming to his house weekly as charwoman during that period, and he had always found her honest and reliable.

The magistrates were of the opinion that the boy had no felonious intention, and therefore dismissed the case.

It is an interesting read. The newspaper is easier to read than the poor transcription.
Llangyfelach is a village and community located in the City and County of Swansea, Wales. Llangyfelach is situated about 4 miles north of the centre of Swansea, just west of Morriston.

Very possibly. I love old newspapers. The quality of writing was often phenomenal. This was right before Michael Jr went to live with his aunt and uncle Lynch, on Landeg St, probably to keep him out of trouble. It seems to have worked. Between 1875-78, Bridget was listed with the following addresses, but was also listed as living outdoors, so basically transient. In 1881 census her occupation is charwoman.
Brynmelyn St, Swansea
Cwm St, Glamorgan
Brook St, Swansea

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Glamorganshire / Re: The disappearance of Michael Green, 1872, Swansea
« on: Sunday 11 September 22 20:38 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Kloumann on Sunday 11 September 22 09:10 BST (UK)
Mary Green, born, 5th Aug 1867, Carrick-on-Suir, to Michael Green & Bridget Harnington.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03472/2275340.pdf

Catherine's birth reg'd M quarter, 1872, MMN Hartnett.

There is also a record, not indexed, of Mary Green born to Michael Green and Bridget Harney, 1867, in Waterford. Harney could be Hartnett, but it's also a proper surname. On the 1871 census, her place of birth is Swansea but on every other census and document it is Ireland or Waterford.

Michael Jr is always listed as born in Swansea, and on his police record he is listed as born at St Josephs in Swansea. I'm not sure what is going on with the births. In any case, I haven't been able to find a record of Michael Jr's birth.
Long ...  Kinda off topic but since it came up
I originally believed the wife was Bridget Harrington because of the birth record for Mary and some other circumstantial evidence. But, in 1881, Michael Jr is living with his aunt and uncle Lynch and I was never able to connect them to Harrington or Green. When the unindexed birth record for Mary was found, I realized that Harney and Hartnett were similar and researched that name. The aunt Mary Lynch was originally Mary Hartnett, Bridget's sister, so I am now confident Bridget was a Hartnett.

  • I have never found a DNA connection to Catherine so maybe she is a half relationship, or no relationship.
  • I have never found a DNA connection to the Lynch family.
  • I have never found a DNA connection to any Green prior to Michael Sr.

The lack of a DNA connection doesn't prove anything.

Speculation ...  I have no evidence for any of these.
1) Michael was married twice, Harrington and Hartnett, but I doubt it because there is no record of either marriage.
2) Michael Green was an alias, and he was running from trouble.
3) Catherine is not Michael's child.
4) Michael ran away from his family and changed his name. Possibly going to America.
5) Michael moved to find better work, prepare a new place, and something happened to him.
6) Michael got waylaid, thrown into the river and disappeared. Or got drunk, fell into the river and drowned, and washed away.
7) Michael died in the copperworks and it wasn't reported.

Mary Lynch nee Hartnett
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GF9L-518

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