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My great uncle was an umbrella maker, which I think is a very unusual and niche job but was apparently a common occupation in the Romany community at the time. Someone who was lodging with his family in the boarding house they stayed in for a bit was also a bee hive maker! (His parents, my great great grandparents, were horse dealers and hawkers - his mother was the first female hawker in the family.)

Not really as unusual, but my great grandmother on the other side of my English family took over the family business from her husband after he died at work. They had a bit of a farming business and owned most of the shops and workplaces in the village too. There's an article from the 1870s in the local gazette about the vicar having a dispute with my great grandmother because he thought she was a "stout and bossy woman".  ;D

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The Common Room / Re: What Country is your research ?
« on: Wednesday 28 September 22 19:18 BST (UK)  »
For me:

Ireland (Counties Cork, Kerry, Limerick and Mayo)
Scotland (Edinburgh, Glasgow)
England (Nottingham, London, Kent, Surrey, Sussex, Cornwall and Devon, Dorset, Merseyside and Liverpool and Gloucester)
France (Brittany, Occitanie, Aquitaine, Paris and Provence)
Germany (Rhineland)
The Netherlands (Amsterdam and Utrecht)
Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Faroe Islands
Iceland
Portugal (Lisbon)
Belgium
Switzerland
Czech Republic (Prague)
Hungary (Budapest and surrounding villages)

I'm a little all over Europe (and some research is extended into North America and Australia, as some distant great aunts and uncles migrated there after the Irish Famine). Most of my research is focused in Ireland, Scotland and England though.

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Before you get to set on that marriage record...

This looks likely to be the marriage
February 5th 1837 - Drimoleague - Michael Collins to Nell McCarthy
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633309#page/72/mode/1up
but the one I found is 3 March 1840  :-\
Dunmanway registers here- marriages start 1818- https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0048
There are also some Cork records on Ireland Genealogy site (also free). One possibility here but early marriages don't list names of parents-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.dunmanway.p4805.00433

Thank you for noticing this - it seems there are a lot of discrepancies in Michael and Ellen's records, which leaves to a lot of questions!

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You wrote:
Jeremiah and Margaret Collins are my x4 great grandparents, so it adds up that they were Bridget's sponsors.”

When I look at the tree you quoted they are entered as Michael Collins’ parents.
However, the tree owner also has Michael’s marriage to Julia Mahony in 1839 with children from that marriage besides your ancestors from Ellen MCarthy.

The information does not look credible.

Jeremiah and Margaret are definitely Michael's parents because a cousin of mine found them after doing research on the family when he went to see our cousins who still live in Ireland, and found the records from one of the churches in the town.

You're right though, there are some odd dates in the additional info about Julia, and they've always puzzled me!

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If you look at that tree, her age in 1851 and 1861 is more like a birth 1822/23.

The tree owner (not Ancestry) has posted a baptism for 1826. If this is so, she would be 11 years old, if that is her marriage in 1837.

Thank you. :)

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Bridget was baptised January 1841 in Dunmanway
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633410#page/47/mode/1up
(See the bottom of right hand page)
Residence is Castle Road and the sponsors are Jeremiah and Margaret Collins, I think.

23rd July 1842
Timothy to the same parents and the same residence
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633410#page/68/mode/1up


2nd November 1843
Ellen - same parents and residence
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633410#page/84/mode/1up

I can see the records first on another site and then look for them on Catholic NLI https://registers.nli.ie/
Sometimes, that site is difficult to negotiate as the records can be out of sync. I hope you get to the right ones from the links.
As noted earlier, the surnames are very common to that area as you can see from the records but there seems to be only one Michael C married to Ellen McC.

Lastly, you have Ellen born in 1826 which would make her marriage in 1837 questionable.

In 1851, Bermondsey, she is 29 yrs - born about 1822.
In 1861, Bermondsey, she is 38 yrs born abt 1823.

Where do you have her born 1826?

Jeremiah and Margaret Collins are my x4 great grandparents, so it adds up that they were Bridget's sponsors.

I know its not always accurate, but Ancestry lists Ellen's birthdate as 1826:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/180166371/person/412391502156/facts

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The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual First Names
« on: Tuesday 27 September 22 00:08 BST (UK)  »
The most unusual for me:

Mehetabella
Brewer (first name!)
Tieleman
Quinrinus
Melchisedech
Good (first name from the Puritan era)
Atlas
Willia
Jone
Gratia
Mathurin (French Huguenot)
Dudley (first name)
Turlogh
Giolla
Deopham
Cardrutt
Anisia
Laurencia
Virtue
Urian
Mabelia
Jerman
Bezallel
Zerubbabel

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The Lighter Side / Re: How did you find Rootschat?
« on: Monday 26 September 22 23:57 BST (UK)  »
I was looking for help on Romany surnames and came across a thread on here where one of my great uncles was mentioned on a "London Romany hawkers" list. It helped solved the mystery as to whether or not my great-grandmother had Romany heritage, which has always been a long topic of debate in my family! I've found the site very useful, especially for lookups and identifying brick walls in my family tree (particularly my paternal side, as I never knew my father, so didn't have anything apart from my father's name and surname to go on).

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Previous posts on someone else's thread on CORK board-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732027.msg7329933#msg7329933

You've posted on a board for Census and Resource requests rather than the Cork board. The first conplete census in Ireland is 1901. Civil registration of births, deaths & Catholic marriages started in 1864 (non-Catholic marriages from 1845) so it's likely what you need to search for are church records. Some R.C. Irish registers online (free) but many will probably not go back far enough to find a marriage for Ellen McCarthy & Michael Collins.
Dunmanway registers here- marriages start 1818- https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0048
There are also some Cork records on Ireland Genealogy site (also free). One possibility here but early marriages don't list names of parents-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.dunmanway.p4805.00433

Thank you, I'm new to Irish census records so wasn't sure where to look.

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