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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Friday 16 February 24 08:10 GMT (UK)  »
So Mabel Bagshawe (reply #5) was correct, my dad Frederick Warren Batchelder was 16 yrs old when baptized in 1922 by which time mother Sophia had the surname Batchelder. Not sure when they married.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Friday 16 February 24 07:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hello after a long absence
I need to change the topic to Frederick Warren Batchelder South Africa.
In short, my father’s birth certificate entry #259 is incorrect as it refers to the Bachelor family that returned to the UK with their 2 sons, neither of whom was my father.
The correct entry found in the Western Cape Archives and Records Service HAWC 1/3/55/3/1 for his birth is #446. Date  place of birth: 10 February 1906, 4 Lay Street, Woodstock; no name just gender Male; Father: blank space; Mother: Sophia Fletcher born Nordström; race Mixed, place: Cape Colony; when registered: 13 March 1906 Woodstock.
Other records show that my grandfather Arthur Asher Batchelder, born in 1853 in the UK, came to the Cape Colony and having married and divorced Catherine van Blommestein after having 4 children, had 3 children with Sophia Margaret [Fletcher, hence widow] neé Nordström. Her father, Johann Alfred Nordström was born in Sweden 1827 & married Margaretha Magdalina Teubes in the Cape. The latter might have been ‘mixed’. Sophia had 2 brothers mentioned in her father’s will.
So a tragic records error that was never questioned. WW11 and being a POW in Italy and Stalag 8 did not help. The International Red Cross have given me a summary of Dad’s POW record but not where the SA POW’s were sent to in the UK. I wonder why he remained in the UK for a year or more. Shell shock was real but untreated then.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Friday 01 April 22 17:22 BST (UK)  »
Response to #76,77,78
Thank you to all.
DNA would be most interesting. Mark and I have so many similar character traits.
I did google a shop in the Wicht street area - will have a closer look thanks.
I am keen to look for Sophie Margaret's history.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Thursday 31 March 22 07:22 BST (UK)  »
Response to #73/74
Such useful information here, thank you so much.
Wicht street does not seem to exist anymore - but I’ll drive around and ask.
I have a lot of researching to do.
I have also contacted a 43 yr old Mark Batchelder who has a Harold in the lineage - he is starting his own search because we thought we weren’t related.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Wednesday 30 March 22 18:10 BST (UK)  »
Response to # 70 & 71
Thank you to both! How amazing! In 1985 I searched through St Marks church register for Father’s baptism dated 1906, not thinking to look for a later date. Sorry I missed #5 - I have much to learn … your replies are very helpful. I must now ask myself where to now?
I met with my cousin Paul Batchelder today after 60 yrs (son of Edward James) who mentioned that their dad had died (must be Arthur) and that the British family were from Croydon? He knew nothing more.
PS I got billed very heavily by Heritage.com today (registered before I found Rootschat) - I paid but how do I deregister? Very concerned…

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Tuesday 29 March 22 17:04 BST (UK)  »
Response to #68
Thank you Neale1961
Thank you so much for your research. I suppose my father’s vault copy of his birth certificate or baptism record (I need to find churches in Woodstock) will be the best lead for the real family?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Sunday 27 March 22 09:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Sue (#64) I have applied for a vault copy of FW Batchelder's birth certificate - I see how frustrated my fellow S Africans are ...

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Sunday 27 March 22 09:26 BST (UK)  »
Response to Sue - thank you, I will try Edge.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Grandparents married in Hull
« on: Sunday 27 March 22 09:23 BST (UK)  »
Response to Reply #55

Could the draft family chart please be amended to Denis - it is not Dennis.
See attached ID and Death Certificate.
And a photograph of our mother Christina Johanna Petronella Conradie.
Many thanks.

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