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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Friday 08 August 25 17:25 BST (UK)  »
Gadlys llannor may work, not too far from llanystumdwy. I’ll check T ceiri griffith’s book. I’m related to the family on top of that page too😂

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Friday 08 August 25 11:27 BST (UK)  »
Diolch

Dna is not an exact science!

you have 6000cm ish

You have 3000cm ish from each parent

it halves each generation (ish)

cousins share 800cm ish

second cousins 400cm ish

….and so on!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Friday 08 August 25 10:30 BST (UK)  »
thanks both. The dna link is a person who is a great great grandson of these two. 33cm match , so something like a shared ancestor at 4th or 5th great grandparents.   What’s piqued my interest is that he’s only got 14 shared matches and two of these are known descendants of my dad’s dad’s family. This narrowness of this type of dna match is very useful.

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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Robert williams 1852 prenteg
« on: Monday 04 August 25 13:55 BST (UK)  »
hi, I’ve found a potential Robert Williams for one of my ancestors, this links to another thread regarding Robert Williams in Llanaelhaearn, but forgive me for starting a new one, this is a potential elimination candidate.

His birth parish is Penmorfa. His Parents are Robert williams and Mary Williams. Mary is sometimes prys, price, pierce or pearce, she was an illegitimate child from Abererch, the marriage certificate says Mary Price.  This is the pant llwyd and later, cae’r gloddfa, family of prenteg. 

This family has numerous trees on ancestry. This Robert is an enigma to everyone. Only the census of 1861 appearing as a source in all of them. (if you find one linking him to llanaelhaearn, it’ll be mine, so ignore this one)

Some trees have linked him to a baptism in dolgellau, but I’ve found this Robert elsewhere later, so is unlikely to be the right one.

Can anyone find this Robert anywhere in any later records or indeed his correct baptism.

thanks

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Thursday 24 July 25 14:16 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thanks, that’s them, they’re in graig tremadog in the next census.

Spelling of ellin’s name is different but the children and ages are consistent.

Ellin’s birthplace is ynyscynhaiarn here but llanystumdwy on the other records.   

Llanfihangel y pennant caernarvonshire is not an easy parish to search. Especially the detached parts. The prenteg part records are sometimes with Beddgelert parish.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Thursday 24 July 25 11:15 BST (UK)  »
diolch eto.

Nothing has jumped out from the dorothy and william roberts (born about 1800) suggestion yet. I’ll try your other suggestions.

There’s two cefn y meusydd ( uchaf and isaf), they look like substantial farms. It could be that Dorothy and William were living there as servants.

Their prospective child's wedding record ( william roberts ynyscynhaiarn and eleanor llanystumdwy) is not obvious. Their eldest child was born 1844 so there should be wedding near this date.

Porthmadog is always a problem (same for penrhyndeudraeth!). It should be ynyscynhaiarn but often penmorfa, treflys, tremadoc(g), portmadoc.

The family dna line I’m researching is someone who is llanifihangel y pennant throughout the records, then, in his last census, gives portmadoc as place of birth!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Wednesday 23 July 25 18:39 BST (UK)  »
cefn y meysydd is in T Ceiri Griffith.  I’ve not seen these two yet. I have found a Dorothy and william roberts in Beaumaris. Dorothy being from tremadog. Could it be these two? William is a slater not a farmer though.

If I am linked to this family it would explain many other dna links. Every dna link search tends to circle around farms around nantcyll/ hendre cennin/llecheiddor/llwyngwnadl.


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Caernarvonshire / Re: Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Wednesday 23 July 25 17:29 BST (UK)  »
ok, diolch yn fawr, will try these.

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Caernarvonshire / Tremadoc(g) DNA link, corn hill portmadoc (porthmadog)
« on: Wednesday 23 July 25 12:07 BST (UK)  »
hello, I’ve got a dna link on ancestry that I’m trying to fathom.

I’ve got the following: Ellis John Roberts ( born 4th october 1878 no. 2 corn hill place) son of William Roberts (born 1850 machynlleth) and Jane Roberts ( born 1851 to 1849 Tremadoc/ ynyscynhaiarn).

Jane Roberts was the daughter of William Roberts ( b1821 ynyscynhaiarn) and Ellen Roberts (nee roberts) ( born 1820 llanystumdwy). Ellen is living in corn hill in 1864 on her daughter’s ( Laura) birth record.

I don’t think I’m dna linked to the machynlleth branch. So it’s either William Roberts or Ellen Roberts that I need to find their origins.

There are no trees on ancestry that go further than this.

So to summarise: I need to find the parents of Ellen ( eleanor) Roberts born abt 1820 llanystumdwy.

or

William Roberts born about 1821 ynyscynhaiarn

There is no obvious marriage record for these two otherwise my next step was to get a certificate.

Any clues?

Diolch

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