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There’s logic there!

You’re probably in good company in assuming that one Ellis was related to another in the same parish. I can imagine that J E Griffith also made similar leaps of faith. Evidence is sparse!

If I can convince my wife to do a dna test, or even her father, it would perhaps group this tribe together. The problem I have is that the tree I’ve created takes a different turn at the daughter of the game keeper. This would create a false grouping.

I should mention that my wife’s tree links to this family.

Her paternal great great grandmother, Jane Hughes daughter of John morris hughes game keeper from Clynnog. He in turn, was the son of Morris Hughes 1794-1866, son of Hugh Morris, son of Morris Jones son of John Ellis….then to ystymllyn as you said.

She hasn’t done a Dna test.

I looked again at Griffith’s pedigrees for the Voelas family(page 326)

They do use cadwaladr and maurice combination.

There’s a Cadwaladr ap Maurice alive 1545, died 1611. His sons then should’ve been ‘ap cadwaladr’ but at this time a nice chap called Bishop Rowland Lee insisted that they should adopt surnames. Bishop Rowland was not a man to be messed with and, to put it mildly, disliked Welsh people.

The family then adopt Wynne as a surname. They may’ve also used Maurice or Morris as a patronymic surname locally.

The cadwaladr name reoccurs until the last one, Cadwaladr Wynne ( marries 1716)

Your man could be related to this family, he could be a illegitimate son that used the morris surname instead of wynne. They often did this. This was a time that illegitimate children were recognised because it was more shameful to allow the parish to look after them.

Just a theory!

There is an entry for Ucheldre ( gwyddelwern, merioneth) in Griffith’s pedigrees, but this records The Meyrick family purchasing it in the early 1600s.

hi, I presume you’ve looked at Griffith’s Pedigrees already.

A marriage record at ysbyty ifan to a Griffith could be a member of the Foelas or Voelas family.

Morris/maurice and cadwaladr is a name combination that re-occurs in the llanfihangel y pennant and penmorfa parishes. The clennenau family being one.