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The Common Room / Re: Free BMD is it down or something?
« on: Wednesday 24 April 19 23:19 BST (UK)  »
Yep, I was using an iPad..in bed! Mine is an older model.
When I powered up my desktop computer today all was well.
It must be an iPad problem as you say.
Thanks.

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The Common Room / Re: Free BMD is it down or something?
« on: Wednesday 24 April 19 00:26 BST (UK)  »
Using my iPad and chrome, wonder what Ive done. Perhaps Ive got too many tabs open.

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The Common Room / Re: Terrible Trees On Ancestry
« on: Wednesday 24 April 19 00:00 BST (UK)  »
I think its experience and its very easy to get the wrong family embedded into your research and people do make mistakes particularly with names that are common. The census is a good place to start but you have to introduce proof at some point and that may mean buying certificates.
The Ancestry links are just suggestions and should never be accepted as correct.
Another thing..unless you really know and other criteria fits pre 1937 entries in Parish Registers..particularly early ones which are not formic should be taken with a pinch of salt if the name is a common one. Ive got back to 1750 for definite on my paternal line, but before that its less certain and I cant be sure..an American relative has taken the same tree back to the Normans. I couldnt agree that. As for Familysearch.com, again careful consideration is needed.
No point in getting annoyed. The satisfaction in this hobby is that you do your own research. Sometimes other peoples is useful and thats a bonus..and you can add to theirs. Also how far you want to go? Why build trees of 5000 people, whats the point in that? Its like having 5000 friends on facebook. Daft, its a bit ASD. Id rather build a new tree for someone else..and get it right!
Further. Its an absolute no no to put living people into publically viewable family trees posted on to genealogy sites, in many cases they wont know they are on there or even know you if you put them there. Wrong. Its also very easy for people to extend those trees into tracing living relatives by using GRO indexes and free BMD and then People Finding Services and Social Media. My facebook page is locked to people except who I invite as personal friends and family. I am as careful with my tree and the people on it. The problem is that there are very many silver haired people now who have taken up this what can be a time consuming hobby..so they dont do..or do it properly when they are working and they dont take enough care, to get things right and to safeguard living people.

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Worcestershire / Re: St. Kenelms, Romsley
« on: Tuesday 23 April 19 23:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi Benody, yes we all have brick walls and strange mysteries and yes... People told untruths then as they do now but nearly 150 years ago they had a better chance of getting away with covering up the truth. Were your couple who married out of Parish of full age? Some vicars were economical with their enquiries and married people who were underage and without parental permission, some didnt call banns or insist on residence requirements. The witnesses could have been anybody passing by!
One of your couple may have been working in the area at the time. Working people could and did move around, they followed the work.
Missing for three censuses. The couple may have separated, divorce was very uncommon in the Victorian era. The husband may have been in the military, he may have emigrated intending to send on for his family. He may have been detained. You might have to dig much deeper than the resources that we heavily rely on like the census. Try also looking at other member trees in sites like Ancestry.co.uk you often find distant relatives exploring your wider family, sometimes  they know something you dont! However eventually we all get stuck and stay stuck. My husbands Great Grandfather was illegitimate and we carry his Great Great Grandmothers maternal name, she herself was illegitimate and born in Tetbury Workhouse. My husband was so pleased, not, to have this news!
Things are never straightforward.Good luck!

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The Common Room / Free BMD is it down or something?
« on: Tuesday 23 April 19 22:53 BST (UK)  »
I cant access Free BMD today 23rd April. The page Home Page looks normal but if you type any searches in nothing returns and you just see the adverts were the search results should be. Ive tried with criteria I know returns correct matches but nothing comes up at all. Never known this with Free BMD, anyone else having this problem?

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Again many thanks Keystone86, you maybe right David Howells may be David Griffiths but I am unlikely to be able to trace him back. Wonder why he would change his name?
As for my bigamy theory on Esther ( nee Nash) East, Roberts and Ponting/ Pantin Ill have to get the Westbury on Severn certificate. Perhaps in an age without telephone, computer and even efficent post joined up services were rudimentary and peoples lies might not find them out..marriages indeed broke down as they do today and second or third marriages may have indeed happened as an economic conveneience without ceremony or legality Im sure.  Hey, ho.
Enjoy your Boxing Day.

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Many thanks keyboard for this help. So Harriet was born Kinsey, married Howells and then David Griffith(s). I could only find the family through Ancestry through the mother in law Ann Kinsey and the son of David and Harriet Daniel Thomas.. I couldnt see the Kinsey connection
I had my suspicions on the 1911 census as the couple were quite old, saying they were narried 21 years and having four children the eldest being 15. I still dont know where David John Griffith(s) came from as I cant make an entry fit with him. Im on my iPad so cant remember my passwrd to get to the image but I believe the 1901 census states he came from Risca in Monmouthshire.
Another puzzle I have.. Mary Griffiths married Henry East in Bridgend 1923. henrys grandfather Alfred East married Esther Ann Nash, both of Gloucestershire.she marries James Roberts in 1880 in westbury on Severn. On the 1881 census she is found with James Roberts and her two children Henry and Ruth living in Cinderford.. But Alfred is still alive in the 1881 census he has gone back to Lower Guiting and is boarding with a family called Smith and is desc. As married, he dies later that year.
James Roberts is gone by 1991 and Esther Ann marries a George Pantin/ Ponting under the surname East...what was she up to? She clearly left Alfred East and took her children, but did she commit bigamy and then try and cover up the marriage to Roberts by reverting to East because she knew Alfred East had died.
One thing I have discovered is that a miners life was a short and dangerous one. The families moved about a lot. Welsh names are a nightmare and their lives far more complex than my rural Sussex ancestors. Mortality was high and health and welfare for all was very poor. Yet, much improved the terraced houses the miners families lived in built into the hillsides of the valleys still stand. Your help is much appreciated. M. Ann.

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Well heres a challenge!
I'm stuck. I have a copy of an entry on the 1911 census England and Wales for David Griffiths and his family. I have an Ancestry.Co.Uk subscription
David Griffiths a Collier b. Glamorganshire  age 57. Wife Harriet age 45 (3) born Glamorgan Aberdare
Son Daniel T Griffiths age 15 a collier born Glam. Blaengarw
Dau. Emily12 b. Pontypridd
Elizabeth A. age 9 b. Ystradyfodwg
Mary age 9 also Ystradyfodwg who is our ancestor who married Henry East. I have that marriage cert.
The address in 1911 is 37 David Street, Blaengarw, Glamorgan. RG14/ piece 32543 Schedule No. 467

I can locate Daniel T. Griffiths on Findmypast b. in 1896 on the 1901 census in the search but I dont have a subscription to Findmypast.  As a pensioner I cant pay to join more search engines. Try as I might I cant find the entry with Ancestry.Com. I suspect there is some kind of ****up with a transcription error.
I cant find the marriage for David and Harriot Griffiths either. I looked on Free BMD and minusing the 21 yrs they say they have been married I would have thought the Neath entry Griffiths Phillips would be correct but it isnt. Census entries show this couple in Resolven in 1901 and 1911 so they are not right. :-\
As for the 1891 census because I dont have the marriage I cant do much with that either and they may not be there as a married couple. There are scores of  David Griffiths.
Ystradyfodwg..is never used as an administrative district since when, people know this as the Rhondda Valleys ...The South Wales coalfield.
Always Happy to do look ups for others if someone can dig me out of this 'pit' !

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Hi Karina, Thanks for your reply. Matilda Sands was the daughter of my great Aunt Alma of whom I know nothing. She disappeared off the records after the birth of her illeg. daughter I have for you Matildas birth cert. (no death index entry found). The dau. Matilda was raised by my great grandmother and then she was sent into service. She is found in Tunbridge Wells in the 1901 census as a housemaid age about 20yrs with a Rebecca Read. Her elderly employer either dies or goes into some form of care. Matilda returns to Heathfield.
My guess is she is taken on by the Thomas family as a servant and starts a relationship with her employer who leaves Catherine (Arnold) his wife and daus. They go to London back to the Brompton Area and the son is born. Puzzled as to why these Thomas's show up in Heathfield, Louis must have found work there.
Clearly the couple lied on the Census 1911. They were not married, although a divorce had been petitioned for by Catherine. A very grave and expensive matter in these times. Its possible she could not afford to go through with it and her estranged husband was still supporting his family in Brighton.
I dont have any further info. The son may have married and died in Fulham, London where he was regd. as a birth but I only have initials to go on. Ive found no death for Matilda Sands/Thomas she may have gone on and married someone else - perhaps in London.
Interesting is that may be Louis Thomas returned to his wife. I'd love to have a copy of any of the info you have Karina in this interesting case. Please message me for my E Mail Address so you can send me attachments. Likewise I can fill you in on Matildas family and let you have a copy of her birth cert. This was a very naughty couple, I'm sure my great grandmother and her strict husband must have been horrified with her grandaughter. I have a photo of Julius Sands, Matildas grandfather which I can also copy to you. My grandfather was the second youngest child, Matilda would have been 9 year older than him - his cousin in effect. I never knew my grandparents and my father never mentioned Alma or Matilda. My father was the last male Sands of this family.
Thanks for your interesting info. looking fwd. to hearing from you. M.Ann

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