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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Jean Baptiste BERLAND
« on: Wednesday 09 February 22 03:42 GMT (UK)  »
Ahh I see so a previous marriage for Jean B Berland yes its possible, will file that away
Thanks

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Jean Baptiste BERLAND
« on: Wednesday 09 February 22 03:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Trish many thanks for your info but it is not my JeanBaptist Berland, yes the name is 100% the same but the man was dead by 1859 in Lyttleton Jail NZ. The man you listed married in 1865. Yes Marie Ann did remarry as Raine so possible she was never married to Jean B Berland or maybe the shame of him dying in an insane asylum made her use her last married name instead. I have just managed to get his coroners report from the Lyttleton jail from Canterbury Museum but the long hand writing is so hard to read, I have only deciphered about 1/4 of it and not how or where he ingested seawater. I have found a birth record on Family search that looks interesing, It has a Marie Ann Raine being born in Lune Creuse France but being christened in Romalkirk Yorkshire in 1833 thats the date that was recorded on her gravestone when she died in Akaroa NZ. But if we look at the census of 1851 from St Helier Jersey Channel Islands it says she is 23 and born in England both her sons are born after 1851. Prosper in St Malo which is just across the water from Jersey to the French Mainland have not pinned down where Jules was born yet but they must be Jeans. Will just have to keep digging.
Many thanks
Regards
Joy

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Jean Baptiste BERLAND
« on: Tuesday 08 February 22 02:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dale I am researching and elderly friends ancestry (its been going since 2016)  her Great Grandmother was Mary Ann C Raine or Rein she was born in a place called Polparre France  but can't find it on Google maps her second marriage was to Feridinand Hahn her Great Grandfather in Akaroa. Her first husband was Jean Baptiste Berland so far I have found out that Jean was French was living on Jersey he came out to NZ in 1856 I have found Newspaper clippings(Papers Past) from that time advertising his Watchmaker and Jewellery business. The ads go for about a year then nothing, then friends post a request in the "New Zealander" 1860. They say they last heard of him being in Canterbury on 27/2/1857  and are asking for information on his where abouts and they say he was living on Jersey before going to the "Colony" his wife and family are in France they say he came out on the "Jospeh Fletcher 23/10/1856 the name of the captain was PooK. I down loaded the passenger list for the "Joseph Fletcher" (New Zealand Yeteryears) and he was not listed as having been on board. The story my friend Anita was told by her mother was that Mary had come out to NZ from France and that her husband (no name at this point in time) had drunk seawater during the voyage and gone insane and died in Lyttleton Jail in 1859. Mary was sent to the French Enclave at Akaroa and settled there. Anita's Gr Granfather Ferdidnand Hahn who lived and worked in Akaroa (there was a bridge and a corner named Hahn) he did a lot of labouring and clearing of land there needed a watch repaired so went to the shop in Akaroa fell in love I guess and the rest they say is history. NZ BMD support this and have an entry but I have not found where he is buried yet. Most frustrating but Jean could not have died during voyage to NZ if he established a watch and jewellery repair shop uness of course Mary was skillled too and decided t use her husbands name to open the shop. Mary and Jean did have two sons Prosper( a war hero in Boer War his records are all in NZ War Museum). The other son Jules lived worked and married in Akaroa area. I have a tree on Ancestry for Anita Black nee "Richards" my Ancestry username is JoyM65  the tree you will find the Berland info and some photos of Prosper  under "Richards" family tree actually all the newspaper stuff is not on their yet just found it all last week so still downloading info. If you want any of the newspaper information on the Berlands I can email it to you just let me know. I don't know why I am so fixated on Jean as he is not Anita's direct line of decent Mary is, your info you posted has filled a few gaps for me and confirmed a few stories as well so very grateful to you for that. If you would like an invite to view the tree just let me know.
regards
Joy

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