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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: How reliable are matches
« on: Friday 08 August 25 00:34 BST (UK)  »
Thank you 4b2 for your suggestions. I have been charting the strands from the presumed ancestor to the DNA match, most seem to work though there are anomalies with the shared matches.

What anomalies?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1750s Baptisms From Scotland
« on: Monday 04 August 25 20:04 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your input. I'll go with those.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1750s Baptisms From Scotland
« on: Monday 04 August 25 13:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Does anyone have any idea what word it says here in bold?

1756. List of Children Bapt[ised]... Edgar. James. Son to W[illia]m Edgar in Crathols? of Kilekie was Born Oct[ober] 7th and Bapt[ised] Oct[ober] 10th by Mr James Lawrie

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In another image it says "Cotman", as an occupation, but this looks different.



An from the following image I have (unsure of the bold):

1762. Children Baptized... Edgar. Ann. Daug[hte]r to William Edgar in Cloynloch of Clan Laugh? was Born 13 March and Bapt[ised] 14th by Mr James Lawrie

Here, you will find a home Barlaugh, which may be related, but I can't find the specific place.



Thank you in advance for your time.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA match on MyHeritage but not on Ancestry
« on: Saturday 02 August 25 02:11 BST (UK)  »
I know. I use the multiplication by 0.6, as that is the mean difference between the two sites. It's more useful to have that figure than the MyH figure, since it's closer to the "real" IBD figure.

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As noted above re. Timber. The amounts below about 100cM on MyH are about 40% higher on average than you'd get on Ancestry.

So 60cM = more like 36cM. On MyH that's probably between about 60-70% likely to be a false positive.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry DNA Match
« on: Saturday 26 July 25 23:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi 4b2

That's brilliant guidance. Makes me wish it wasn't so late today, otherwise I'd go back online.
My friend has given me access to her list of matches vast majority are maternal, apart from the one detailed above and about three others. 94/93/56 cM. So a lot smaller. Two of those are the same surname, so once I've finished working down the initial contacts branches, that may be my next target.
Let's hope a few people on that side did the "marriage before kids" bit 🤣
Thanks again

93-94 are useful. They would probably be 3rd cousins, or half 2nd cousins or 2nd cousins once removed or 2nd cousins.
56 is more ambiguous. It could be a 2nd cousin to 4th cousin, with all the halves and removed too.

It seems there is enough to give strong co-ordinates at least.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: How reliable are matches
« on: Saturday 26 July 25 23:31 BST (UK)  »
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How sure can I be that this is the right ancestor,

You need to account for all of your matches back to about 20cM (or more) and all of their shared matches that seem to be real (share 3 matches+ in a cluster). By doing this you will be able to validate lines, and likely be left with other groups of matches who you can try and place in your tree.

I'm of the impression that (virtually) all DNA matches on Ancestry down to 20cM are real relatives. Beyond that it's not easy to tell.You will have clusters of matches below 20cM (many of them), but it becomes very difficult to figure out how they are related to you. This is owning to - the further back the relationship, the less likely they will overlap with enough matches to suggest which lines of our ancestry they relate to; and that they can relate to ancestors born more in the window 1670-1700. For example, for 7th cousin matches, we have 128 possible pairs of great-grandparents.

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If the test is taken by someone born in the window 1950, then there are some shared matches showing ancestors back to window of 1670, while there will be other lines that only have shared matches back to the window of 1800.

Some lines just happen to be very faint. This could be due few descendants, few descendants who have taken tests, little DNA inherited on that line, or maybe issues relating to Ancestry stripping out chunks of DNA they think are not inhered (but are). The only way you can figure out which lines are faint and which are strong in your test is going through all the matches. Going through the matches of relatives' tests may yield earlier generations on weak lines. But in my expedience weak lines in one test seem to correlate to weak lines in relatives' tests. This could point to Ancestry stripping out too much inherited DNA.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Ancestry DNA Match
« on: Saturday 26 July 25 23:06 BST (UK)  »
I am assuming the match is listed by Ancestry as paternal?

The suggested relationships by Ancestry are not worth paying much attention to. The pool of possible relationship can be quite large. But with the 30 year age gap and 686cM, 1C1R is most likely. So your friend's match is probably the cousin of her unknown father; meaning they would share a pair of grandparents.

What you will need to do from here is look at all the shared matches of this suggested 1C1R (using ProTools) and find out who the common ancestors are among them. You should be looking for other matches who share at least two more matches with the 1C1R in particular.

Some will have incomplete trees. Quickly open all the dead-end ancestors (with attention to ones in your relevant region), press to the search button at the top right of their profile, and find that person in public trees, or records. If you do this for all matches, you will probably find multiple matches with the same ancestors. This way you will be able to narrow down which side of the 1C1R's tree you relate to.

The relation is probably something like this:

Shared great-grandparents (e 1890)Shared grandparents (e 1890)
Unknown grandfather (e 1920)Macth's father (e 1920)
Unknown father (e 1950)Suggested 1C1R (e 1950)
Your friend (e 1980)-


But your friend has another unknown line, not shared with the 1C1R, so you'd need to go through your friend's matches listed as paternal and unknown, as briefly outlined above, starting with the closest matches. Though in about 5% of cases Ancestry gets the maternal or paternal side wrong. Find out how the matches are related, and note that down. Add a note to each one so you known who is accounted for and who is not.

Hopefully you will find close matches from your friend's other line. With the two rough lines known, you can then look for possible marriages between the line shared by the suggested 1C1R and the line he does not share. If you can do that you'll then have a list of possible sons, one of whom will be your friend's father.

If you can find both lines depends on how close the matches are, how many relatives you can establish common ancestors for, and how good you are at this research.

It's also possible your fiend's father was himself born out of wedlock, which will make it more complicated. Often DNA just gives clues and partial answers.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA clusters basic question
« on: Sunday 13 July 25 14:34 BST (UK)  »
What are the enhanced matches?

I do already have My Heritage clusters which I occasionally try to make sense of. One of my largest clusters on there is a collection of people I have not come across in my own research - though they are all fairly low  matches.

Two issues with MyHeritage:

1) ~70% of matches are false positives
2) cM does not correspond with cM on Ancestry (identical by descent) below ~100cM - lower cM matches need to be divided by 0.6 to get the approx. comparable amount to Ancestry

So if you have a cluster of 30 matches with the highest being 35cM, that's more like 20cM identical by descent and probably more likely to be a match in the window 1700. Or it could be a false positive.

There are too few matches, to few threads and too many false positives to make working with many MyHeritage matches worth the time.

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