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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Friday 23 December 22 11:26 GMT (UK) »
for the irregular marriage of Andrew Anderson and Mary Brown in Edinburgh 1783, see pg. 250 of the Kilrenny Kirk Session records.
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Thursday 22 December 22 12:57 GMT (UK) »
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Thanks for your eagle eyes to notice that I missed a generation. Not a good time of year to try to keep everything in its proper place.
Yes, Ann and Andrew Anderson were the youngest and the eldest children of John Anderson, schoolmaster, and Janet Pratt. Janet was the eldest child of Archibald Pratt and Jean Vilent. Janet was born Sep 1730 and died Jan 1814. When Archibald Pratt married in 1729 he was the first Prate named in the Kilrenny opr and had no married brothers or sisters in Kilrenny.
nepean
Thanks for your eagle eyes to notice that I missed a generation. Not a good time of year to try to keep everything in its proper place.
Yes, Ann and Andrew Anderson were the youngest and the eldest children of John Anderson, schoolmaster, and Janet Pratt. Janet was the eldest child of Archibald Pratt and Jean Vilent. Janet was born Sep 1730 and died Jan 1814. When Archibald Pratt married in 1729 he was the first Prate named in the Kilrenny opr and had no married brothers or sisters in Kilrenny.
nepean
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Wednesday 21 December 22 22:30 GMT (UK) »
My last reply should have gone mainly to Callum.
Thank you Callum for directing your researching into reading the Dunino kirk session register.
nepean
Thank you Callum for directing your researching into reading the Dunino kirk session register.
nepean
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Wednesday 21 December 22 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Forfarian
Looks like we both decided to dig into the Dunino kirk session records. That can be very interesting as one follows the stories created by the lives of parish members. I started with the period before the death of John Anderson in Jan 1774 and found that the parish was aware of the distressed condition of the widow, Janet Prat, after her husband's death leaving her with a family of young ones. Janet shows up periodically receiving payments and in one entry the clerk has written that none of the relatives on either side of the family are prepared to contribute so the parish continues. I will continue reading the film and will take notes re dates and comments.
But the big discovery is that you have discovered that Andrew Anderson was indeed a schoolmaster in Dunino. That connects to having Ann Anderson as a daughter of John Anderson, schoolmaster and my theory that Andrew was financing/supporting the family. Maybe the Dunino kirk session records will indicate why Andrew left Dunino.
Andrew Anderson married "irregularly" in Edinburgh in Aug 1783... don't know what parish... and was charged with antenuptial fornication in Aug 1783. Those dates are from the Kilrenny kirk session. Andrew's spouse was a Mary Brown.... another Brown! Andrew and Mary had at least 4 children... Andrew 1783, Robert 1787 (bap St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh), John 1789 (bap St. Cuthberts)
and Wightman 1794 (Leith).
Ann Anderson and Andrew Anderson were children of Archibald Pratt and Jean Vilent.
James Brown and Ann Anderson married at Canongate, Edinburgh in May 1796.
Thank you for joining in the search. A new pair of eyes is always a help.
Nepean
Looks like we both decided to dig into the Dunino kirk session records. That can be very interesting as one follows the stories created by the lives of parish members. I started with the period before the death of John Anderson in Jan 1774 and found that the parish was aware of the distressed condition of the widow, Janet Prat, after her husband's death leaving her with a family of young ones. Janet shows up periodically receiving payments and in one entry the clerk has written that none of the relatives on either side of the family are prepared to contribute so the parish continues. I will continue reading the film and will take notes re dates and comments.
But the big discovery is that you have discovered that Andrew Anderson was indeed a schoolmaster in Dunino. That connects to having Ann Anderson as a daughter of John Anderson, schoolmaster and my theory that Andrew was financing/supporting the family. Maybe the Dunino kirk session records will indicate why Andrew left Dunino.
Andrew Anderson married "irregularly" in Edinburgh in Aug 1783... don't know what parish... and was charged with antenuptial fornication in Aug 1783. Those dates are from the Kilrenny kirk session. Andrew's spouse was a Mary Brown.... another Brown! Andrew and Mary had at least 4 children... Andrew 1783, Robert 1787 (bap St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh), John 1789 (bap St. Cuthberts)
and Wightman 1794 (Leith).
Ann Anderson and Andrew Anderson were children of Archibald Pratt and Jean Vilent.
James Brown and Ann Anderson married at Canongate, Edinburgh in May 1796.
Thank you for joining in the search. A new pair of eyes is always a help.
Nepean
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Tuesday 20 December 22 17:16 GMT (UK) »
Good morning Callum and others
Thank you for the scans of the family Bible. You must be very pleased to have it, even if the Bible's info is only related to births of Thomas and Margaret (Clouston) Scott's 4 daughters. My experience with family Bibles is not traditional as my mother was the youngest in her family and if there was a surviving Bible it went to an older sibling and no one, today, claims to have it. But my grandmother wrote in her beautiful penmanship the vitals for her 10 siblings and 5 children and that single sheet of paper from a small note-book was accepted as a primary source by the Mayflower Society. So there are Bibles and then there are notebooks.
Re the marriage record for Ann Anderson in Canongate in 1796 in Edinburgh. Yes I too had seen the use of Denoonie and with the agreement of HDWatson had settled on Dunino. But the big problem with this description was that there was no Andrew Anderson, teacher, there at that time. I searched microfilm of all of the surrounding parish records but the only teacher that I found identified was John Anderson, spouse of Janet Pratt, who had a son Andrew, whose birth was recorded in both Dunino and Kilrenny in 1761, Andrew Anderson was irregularly married in Edinburgh in 1783. Andrew was the s/o John Anderson, teacher in Dunino, and Janet Pratt. John Anderson and Janet Pratt had 5 children and the youngest was Ann Anderson, b Sept 1771 in Dunino.... at least 4 of the 5 children had births recorded in Dunino. Andrew and a sister Wightman were also married in Edinburgh despite a connection to Kilrenny and Dunino. In Jan 1774 the Dunino opr reported the death of John Anderson, schoolmaster in Dunino. So Ann Anderson was about 2 1/2 when her father died. Did John's eldest child Andrew, b 1761, take over the care of the 4 youngest children and become the father-figure? Andrew was irregularly married in Edinburgh. Does anyone have an occupation for Andrew Anderson, b 1761?
In the Anstruther Easter 1841 census James Brown and wife Ann were living on Had the Foot Wynd. James was 64 and Ann was 69. They were living with their unmarried son John and 2 of their grandchildren Lillie, 10 and William Scott, 8. Lillie and William were children of William Scott and Mary Brown.
Copied at Register House 1986
1876, district 438, # 56--
Mary (BROWN) SCOTT, died age 79, 25 December 1876, 02:50 a.m., at Cellardyke, widow of William SCOTT, shipmaster and d/o James BROWN, tailor and Ann (ANDERSON) BROWN, both deceased, pleurisy 4 days; informant William SCOTT, Juniper Green, Edinburgh, son, not present.
William Scott, shipmaster, was the original subject of this chat.
nepean
Thank you for the scans of the family Bible. You must be very pleased to have it, even if the Bible's info is only related to births of Thomas and Margaret (Clouston) Scott's 4 daughters. My experience with family Bibles is not traditional as my mother was the youngest in her family and if there was a surviving Bible it went to an older sibling and no one, today, claims to have it. But my grandmother wrote in her beautiful penmanship the vitals for her 10 siblings and 5 children and that single sheet of paper from a small note-book was accepted as a primary source by the Mayflower Society. So there are Bibles and then there are notebooks.
Re the marriage record for Ann Anderson in Canongate in 1796 in Edinburgh. Yes I too had seen the use of Denoonie and with the agreement of HDWatson had settled on Dunino. But the big problem with this description was that there was no Andrew Anderson, teacher, there at that time. I searched microfilm of all of the surrounding parish records but the only teacher that I found identified was John Anderson, spouse of Janet Pratt, who had a son Andrew, whose birth was recorded in both Dunino and Kilrenny in 1761, Andrew Anderson was irregularly married in Edinburgh in 1783. Andrew was the s/o John Anderson, teacher in Dunino, and Janet Pratt. John Anderson and Janet Pratt had 5 children and the youngest was Ann Anderson, b Sept 1771 in Dunino.... at least 4 of the 5 children had births recorded in Dunino. Andrew and a sister Wightman were also married in Edinburgh despite a connection to Kilrenny and Dunino. In Jan 1774 the Dunino opr reported the death of John Anderson, schoolmaster in Dunino. So Ann Anderson was about 2 1/2 when her father died. Did John's eldest child Andrew, b 1761, take over the care of the 4 youngest children and become the father-figure? Andrew was irregularly married in Edinburgh. Does anyone have an occupation for Andrew Anderson, b 1761?
In the Anstruther Easter 1841 census James Brown and wife Ann were living on Had the Foot Wynd. James was 64 and Ann was 69. They were living with their unmarried son John and 2 of their grandchildren Lillie, 10 and William Scott, 8. Lillie and William were children of William Scott and Mary Brown.
Copied at Register House 1986
1876, district 438, # 56--
Mary (BROWN) SCOTT, died age 79, 25 December 1876, 02:50 a.m., at Cellardyke, widow of William SCOTT, shipmaster and d/o James BROWN, tailor and Ann (ANDERSON) BROWN, both deceased, pleurisy 4 days; informant William SCOTT, Juniper Green, Edinburgh, son, not present.
William Scott, shipmaster, was the original subject of this chat.
nepean
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Monday 19 December 22 19:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello Callum
Your reply caught my attention when you mentioned having the Family Bible for James Brown and Ann Anderson. I have tried to find the vital info for both of these ancestors of my husband and gave up when the Browns entered the genealogy picture again. I had already done a pedigree for David Brown, fisherman, in Kilrenny/Cellardyke where he drowned in the harbour in 1771. Most of that family's line had connections to the fishing community in the East Neuk. The fishing Browns make a few appearances in Harry Watson's book on Kilrenny and Cellardyke.
So James Brown, taylor, didn't fit and without some vital records I had no idea where to start a good search for the births of James or Ann. The family of James Brown and Ann Anderson were born in Anstruther Easter. James and Ann married in Canongate, Edinburgh in May 1796 and had 8 children, all born in Anstruther. Two of the sons followed in their father's footsteps and became tailors.
With the consistent lack of deaths/burials in the Anstruther Easter opr it is difficult to find the deaths/burials with any degree of confidence for either James Brown or Ann Anderson. But the census records for 1841 and 1851 show that Ann died in that 10 year period. Her husband James was in the 1851 census with a bachelor son, tailor, and since he is not in the death records at Scotland's People after 1855 James must have died between the 1851 census and 1855. Ann Anderson might be the Ann who was buried in Nov 1841 .... Anstruther Easter opr, death:
Ann ANDERSON, aged 64 years, daughter of Andrew ANDERSON, Kilrenny, was buried 30th Nov 1841.... and James was likely the James who was buried in Apr 1852 in Anstruther Easter, from the Lair Register in the Fife Death Index.... but no age of death for James.
If the Family Bible has vitals and parents for these two people I would very much appreciate having them passed on to me. Then I can start doing another Brown pedigree search!
To the best of my knowledge I know of no genealogical connection between Lumsden the clock- maker and the Scott/Rennie family that we are researching. But in the East Neuk anything is possible.... which makes genealogy fun.
Where do you live? I am in Ontario, Canada where my husband's parents were home children from the UK. His father was an orphan in Cellardyke.
nepean
Your reply caught my attention when you mentioned having the Family Bible for James Brown and Ann Anderson. I have tried to find the vital info for both of these ancestors of my husband and gave up when the Browns entered the genealogy picture again. I had already done a pedigree for David Brown, fisherman, in Kilrenny/Cellardyke where he drowned in the harbour in 1771. Most of that family's line had connections to the fishing community in the East Neuk. The fishing Browns make a few appearances in Harry Watson's book on Kilrenny and Cellardyke.
So James Brown, taylor, didn't fit and without some vital records I had no idea where to start a good search for the births of James or Ann. The family of James Brown and Ann Anderson were born in Anstruther Easter. James and Ann married in Canongate, Edinburgh in May 1796 and had 8 children, all born in Anstruther. Two of the sons followed in their father's footsteps and became tailors.
With the consistent lack of deaths/burials in the Anstruther Easter opr it is difficult to find the deaths/burials with any degree of confidence for either James Brown or Ann Anderson. But the census records for 1841 and 1851 show that Ann died in that 10 year period. Her husband James was in the 1851 census with a bachelor son, tailor, and since he is not in the death records at Scotland's People after 1855 James must have died between the 1851 census and 1855. Ann Anderson might be the Ann who was buried in Nov 1841 .... Anstruther Easter opr, death:
Ann ANDERSON, aged 64 years, daughter of Andrew ANDERSON, Kilrenny, was buried 30th Nov 1841.... and James was likely the James who was buried in Apr 1852 in Anstruther Easter, from the Lair Register in the Fife Death Index.... but no age of death for James.
If the Family Bible has vitals and parents for these two people I would very much appreciate having them passed on to me. Then I can start doing another Brown pedigree search!
To the best of my knowledge I know of no genealogical connection between Lumsden the clock- maker and the Scott/Rennie family that we are researching. But in the East Neuk anything is possible.... which makes genealogy fun.
Where do you live? I am in Ontario, Canada where my husband's parents were home children from the UK. His father was an orphan in Cellardyke.
nepean
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Fife / Re: William Scott - Sailor
« on: Friday 10 December 21 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Callum
William SCOTT and Lilias SCOTT were my husband's 3g grandparents. William died before 1841, likely at sea, and Lilias died in Dec 1846 in Anstruther Easter. Their only son William SCOTT, b 1797 in A.E., was a master mariner and died between 1837 and 1851, married Mary BROWN, b 1797 A.E. to James BROWN, tailor, and Anne ANDERSON. Anne died between 1841 and 1851 and James died between 1851 and 1855.
William SCOTT and Mary BROWN, 2g grandparents of my husband, had 6 children in A.E.
Anne 1826 -1856
Mary 1828 - 1862 married Capt. John NICOL, lost at sea 1866, and had 4 children
Lillie 1830-1858
William 1832 - 1903 was a grocer in Juniper Green and had 13 children with Annie RENNIE
James Brown 1836 - ?
Thomas 1837 - 1857
Some descendants of Mary SCOTT and of William SCOTT emigrated to Canada.
I have more info re this SCOTT/BROWN/NICOL/RENNIE family if you are interested.
nepean
William SCOTT and Lilias SCOTT were my husband's 3g grandparents. William died before 1841, likely at sea, and Lilias died in Dec 1846 in Anstruther Easter. Their only son William SCOTT, b 1797 in A.E., was a master mariner and died between 1837 and 1851, married Mary BROWN, b 1797 A.E. to James BROWN, tailor, and Anne ANDERSON. Anne died between 1841 and 1851 and James died between 1851 and 1855.
William SCOTT and Mary BROWN, 2g grandparents of my husband, had 6 children in A.E.
Anne 1826 -1856
Mary 1828 - 1862 married Capt. John NICOL, lost at sea 1866, and had 4 children
Lillie 1830-1858
William 1832 - 1903 was a grocer in Juniper Green and had 13 children with Annie RENNIE
James Brown 1836 - ?
Thomas 1837 - 1857
Some descendants of Mary SCOTT and of William SCOTT emigrated to Canada.
I have more info re this SCOTT/BROWN/NICOL/RENNIE family if you are interested.
nepean
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