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Sligo / Re: Help finding John Coleman born 1845 Knocknahur Sligo
« on: Tuesday 24 June 25 11:38 BST (UK)  »
I looked at it again and I see that there are 2 Michael Colemans and family on the same page and the Michael Coleman who is a Hawker doesn’t have a son John listed.

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Sligo / Re: Help finding John Coleman born 1845 Knocknahur Sligo
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 17:44 BST (UK)  »
This from 1861 census, Knaresborough. Michael Coleman, licensed Hawker & family.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:M712-ZV8

1881 census for Michael (Unlikely to be same one)

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q275-Y3Z4

Children on 1861 census have MMN of Lemmon & Kelley or Kelly for the younger ones

1881 census, Knaresborough for Ann & some of children. Son Michael is a hawker. Ann listed as a widow.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27R-CPNP

There is a death of a Michael Coleman in Knaresborough, 1865, age 44.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:661H-8G81

I have gone back to this again despite the fact that I had a message from someone with that record in their tree, claiming the Colemans were well off and they did not know of a John.
Because....
 I found a marriage record for Bridget Coleman who could have been "my" Johns sister, and on that record it said her father Micheal was a Hawker. Now on that 1861 census Micheal Coleman Knaresboro  the pages you get from the sites do not have a John in them. BUT if you actually load and look at  the copy of the original record there are many more children listed! There is a John , son, aged 20! So because of Bridget's father being a Hawker, I'm going to assume This is "my John. Why are so few of the children listed. There are the following children, Bridget, Margaret, John, Patrick, Micheal, Thomas, Henry, Martin! The record is incomplete without all the children.

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Entry was a common part of an address in that type of place. A bit like "Lane" or "Passage". Sometimes these old names don't appear on official documents if it was just what the were known as locally.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 16:17 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, that is useful. Y 105. What does unconsecrated imply, I have seen Records for Charles Graham noting Roman Catholic and St Mary's Clayton St, does Elswick cemetery not have a specific RC section? I have also tried to find a plot map but so far no luck. With a plot map I would be able to go  and have a look at where he was planted. I doubt there will be any clues there but with a plot map I can have a rough idea. North Tyneside cemeteries have detailed plot maps. ;)
If any tech expert on this board can link this up with the other post about Charles Graham Elswick and St John that would be helpful?

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
I have now found a likely match in the 1921 census for one of Francis and Mary Ann Grahams orphan children,
Margaret Alice aka Margarita Alicia Graham

Convent of Mercy Wigton

Parents both dead

Date of birth is correct.

Because Francis and Mary Ann Graham both died in 1918 I am trying to find out what happened to their children, as they were all my family members.
Amy information would be gratefully received.



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Sligo / Re: Help finding John Coleman born 1845 Knocknahur Sligo
« on: Monday 25 November 24 16:21 GMT (UK)  »
I have not been able to get the birth certificate for any other of Michaels children born in England because of not having any proof of who they are.
A Michael  Coleman in sligo is on the 1901 census

Michael Coleman
Gender   Male
Marital Status   Widower
Age   86
Birth Date   abt 1815
Birth Place   Co Sligo
Residence Date   31 Mar 1901
House Number   1
Residence Place   Rathmactiernan, Cartron, Sligo, Ireland
Relation to Head   Head of Family (Head)
Occupation   Farmer
Religion   Roman Catholic
Language Spoken   Irish English
Literacy   Read write
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Michael Coleman   86   Head of Family (Head)
Batty Coleman
35
Son
Henry Coleman
30
Son

This would probably only apply if my ancestor John Coleman came to England without his father?



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Sligo / Re: Help finding John Coleman born 1845 Knocknahur Sligo
« on: Monday 25 November 24 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your input.
I don’t have any evidence for Johns mother’s maiden name.
I was looking at the Coleman family which settled in Knaresborough and the mother was Anna Kelly. But I discounted that family as I can’t find a John in the correct period. I made contact with a member of the knaresborough family and they did not know about my John.
I was told by my ancestor that my branch of the family were tinkers.
I have found some more clues:

Name   John Coleman
Baptism Age   0
Event Type   Baptism
Birth Date   1845
Baptism Date   20 May 1845
Baptism Place   Lorrha and Dorrha, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants   Doorha, Dorrha, Durrow, Lorha, Lorha and Durrow, Lorrha and Doorha
Diocese   Killaloe
Father   
Michael Coleman
Mother   
Bridget Hegarty

How ever I do have confirmation of the 1911census  tynemouth workhouse where John Coleman is supposed to be from knocknahur Sligo. It fits with my other verified facts.

If I could even get a census of Ireland copy which had both John and Michael in then that would help. According to census records John was born 1845.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 30 October 24 14:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for the information about the burial indexes. It will be very interesting to look at next time I am there.
I have been to North Shields local studies to see if I could find any more  on the infant burials at St Peters however  was told  there is no burial record  book  in the local studies and so I did try to find more about them on the microfiche, with no luck!
Ive also been to have another look at St Peters churchyard but it's very old and a lot of it is overgrown. I think it's likely the infants were buried with adults rather than having individual graves.


There was a sibling,  Margaret Dixon Coleman born and died in 1870 in Haverton Hill, Billingham, where her parents were residing. I put the details in a separate post about John Coleman.

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Sligo / Re: Help finding John Coleman born 1845 Knocknahur Sligo
« on: Wednesday 30 October 24 13:04 GMT (UK)  »
Updating the search for my ancestors, I did find a bit more information regarding the Knarsborough family probably not being the one because they are missing a John at the appropriate period, but I did come up with a possible family match in the household of Batty Coleman in Sligo from the 1911 Irish census.
I also found that John and Mary Ann had an infant daughter named Margaret Dixon Coleman, born 19 jan 1870, Haverton Hill, Billingham. Registered by Mary Ann Coleman. John is a general labourer.

A death certificate from 13 Feb 1870 lists cause of death as premature birth. The informant is John Coleman present at the death.
I have looked into the possibilities as to what  they were doing there and it seemed a hive of industry in 1870 with possibilities of all sorts of work for a general labourer. I have been past Haverton Hill recently and it seems mainly to be the destination for a Teeside recycling plant.

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