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Unwanted Certificates & Artefacts / Re: Portsmouth, Hampshire ~ Photo's
« on: Thursday 04 November 21 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Steve - not sure if you're still active on this forum.

Would you have any photos of Silver Street, Southsea (off Kings Rd) or Lower Forbury Road (before the demolitions from the 60s onwards)?

By the way, are you a relative of Ann Burge (b. c1841 in Somerset, d. 1912 in Portsmouth) who married Edward Saunders and is shown in the 1911 census in Copper Street, Southsea?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« on: Thursday 04 November 21 10:05 GMT (UK)  »
Tony - well spotted. It's taken me a few years to dig through the complex relationships. Sarah Reynolds was first married to Thomas Carter, then she went off with George Kemp (without marrying him) who died in 1879 (in the house next door - 18 Silver Street). She then married Edward Williams (possibly bigamously). In the 1881 census, there are children from the Kemp relationship and also from the Williams relationship. In addiion, there are two other persons, at least one of whom is a brother of Edward Williams.

Amelia Chambers does not appear in the 1891 census entry for the family (now at 21 Silver Street) nor do the Williams relations.

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Europe / Re: PORTUGAL - possibly Azores
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 19:36 GMT (UK)  »
You would need to narrow down the place of origin. Some sources mention Portalegre. It would be good to establish if its Azores or Portugal which is concerned. I don't know if there are travel records which still exist for boats arriving in NZ?

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Europe / Re: PORTUGAL - possibly Azores
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, it's quite possible. That's also a Portuguese first name. There's a naturalisation in Auckland from 1886 of an Anthony Joseph Thomas, which could be worth digging out.

For Lawrence, on his US naturalisation oath from 1899 in Massachusetts, the name "Lawrence Joseph Thomas" is given. The same name is used in the 1900 census for Edgartown, the place where he was naturalised. There's also a marriage record from Massachusetts for the same name in 1882.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
Tony - Edward Williams is my 2nd GG but I'm not 100% sure that I've got him correctly identified, hence the interest in verifying Amelia Chambers. I have him born in St Pancras, Middlesex on 29/01/1854 to Thomas Williams and Alice Bruce Royall. None of the Amelia Chambers I've researched, including the Whitechapel one, has an obvious connection as one would expect from a cousin. This Edward Williams dies in 1890.

Ian & Rosie - The address is 17 Silver Street (https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989404#zoom=5&lat=7558&lon=2710&layers=BT). The area is now better known as Southsea (https://www.streetmap.co.uk/map?x=463913&y=99395&z=110&sv=Silver+Street&st=6&tl=Map+of+Silver+Street,+Southsea,+Hampshire,+PO5&searchp=ids&mapp=map).

Rosie - I've only been able to track one wife for Edward - Sarah Reynolds, b. 22/04/1845 in Plaitford, Hants to James Reynolds and Sarah Roles. Plaitford is not far from Whiteparish - one of the suggestions above.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:30 GMT (UK)  »
The difficulty with the 1899 Chambers is that she was a widow, and the 1881 Chambers is unmarried.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 23:25 GMT (UK)  »
Lots of plausible suggestions. Porwick is a good one. Whiteparish could work but I have difficulty making out the 's' in the second word.

One other thing which could help - looking at the method used by the enumerator, he/she often uses two words for the place name - the county/country first, then the place (e.g. Hants Portsea, Scotland Stirling).

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1881 England census - Illegible birth place
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 22:51 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately not, neither on a previous nor a subsequent census. Even the birth date doesn't help as, assuming she was born in England or Wales, there's no Amelia Chambers born in the years 1840-43. For 1838 and 1839, there are two born in Medway and one in Whitechapel. It's frustrating as it is the only unreadable entry on the page and I've pored over it for two years now.

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Europe / Re: PORTUGAL - possibly Azores
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
I have carried out quite a bit of research on my Portuguese ancestors. I would suggest that your first step would be to get more information about Lawrence as you seem to have more information about him. You could have a look at the baptismal records for Flores (https://tombo.pt/en/i/flores), which has two municipalities, each of which has several civil parishes with separate baptismal records. You would need to dig through the records to see if anything turns up. It may be that Lawrence's name was Anglicised and his original name could be something like Lourenço José Tomáz. Good luck.

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