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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Tuesday 01 April 25 12:13 BST (UK)  »
Morgan and David Family connection.

After many hours of searching on Ancestry at the local records office and the library I have failed to find a connection between the Morgan and David families living  in Llantrithyd and Welsh St Donats Glamorgan.

Ann Morgan born 1824 had two illegitimate  children with a John Hopkins, Margaret 1849 and John 1853 both Welsh St Donats

Ann on the 1841 census in living with her parents Christopher and Margaret at Llantrithyd in Glamorgan and in 1851 again with her parents  this time living at Welsh St Donats.

Whilst on the 1851 census Ann is still at the home of her parents Christopher and Margaret but her children Margaret is not with her.

On the 1851 census Margaret is at the home of a Charlotte David and her daughter Jane in Welsh St Donats. The question is why is she not with her mother Ann Morgan?

Charlotte David married a Lewis David in 1819 and on the 1841 census are at Welsh St Donats.

Charlotte’s maiden name is Morgan whilst Ann Morgan’s mother, Margaret, maiden name is David.

So is Charlotte Morgan related someway to Christopher Morgan and is Margaret David related to Lewis David?

I have failed to find any connections.

Also no sign of Ann’s son John after his baptism in 1853.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Saturday 29 March 25 13:20 GMT (UK)  »
I'm not sure what happens to him either.  Ann Morgan is a servant on 1861 & 1871, not marrying until 1874. No sign of him with her. I haven't found her mother Margaret on 1861 to see if he's there

Is there a copy of the marriage for Ann Morgan on Ancestry, if so what parish/district.county? and is she at Welsh St Donats on the 1861 and 1871 census

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Friday 28 March 25 17:28 GMT (UK)  »
Mabel has found the following......Not sure if there's a connection, but a John Hopkin, illegitimate son of John Hopkin, farmer, and Ann Morgan, is baptised in Welsh St Donats in 1853

I believe this is the second illegitimate child of John Hopkin and Ann Morgan.  The problem is I cannot find him on the 1861,71,81 census records or a death or burial record on Ancestry  I enter his birth date as 1853 at Welsh st Donats but no records are found. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Wednesday 19 March 25 16:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Heddwch for the information you have listed.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Friday 14 March 25 21:09 GMT (UK)  »
I will try to find a Baptism record for Margaret as with a bit of luck it will have the mothers name recorded.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Friday 14 March 25 12:57 GMT (UK)  »
Margaret is Hopkin, Charlotte and Ann are David. The census state that she is the illegitimate daughter of another person.  There is another child on the page, not related to your query but they have a similar comment against them.  It is as though they are possibly being fostered.

I would not assume that her father is John Hopkin just because she names him when she marries.
   

1881 census has Margaret living at Lower Cosmeston farm shown as Daughter, the head of the family is John Hopkins

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Friday 14 March 25 12:55 GMT (UK)  »
1851 has a Margaret HOPKIN age 2 living in Welsh St Donatts with Charlotte and Ann David.  She is listed as Illegitimate daur of another person

ADDED in case they are relevant
Next door are a Thomas Hopkin 69, Mary Hopkin 65, Elvira Hopkin 29 plus 2 grandaughters
I have a 1851 census record for a Thomas Hopkin aged 61 wife Mary 54 John 25 Catherine 23 James 20 Jane 17 Thomas 13 Ann 12 Thomas 3 Grandson living at the Lodge Welsh St Donats.

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Glamorganshire / Re: Parents not married?
« on: Thursday 13 March 25 21:42 GMT (UK)  »
Rosie.... Many thanks for your reply and the information you have found. I am unsure if the Thomas Hopkin family living next door is the correct family as the 1851 census record I have is them living at the Lodge, Welsh St Donats,

As Margaret is living with Charlotte and Ann David is one of them the mother? Is Margaret recorded with the surname Hopkins or no name or David.


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Glamorganshire / Parents not married?
« on: Thursday 13 March 25 17:11 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for the birth/baptism records for a Margaret Hopkins. The 1861 census has her living with her grandparents and born in Welsh St Donats Glamorgan. I have found her marriage record which shows her father as John Hopkins. 1881 census has her living with John Hopkins at Lower Cosmeston farm.  I cannot find any record of a marriage for John Hopkins or a mother for Margaret. When searching the "Free BMD" records there is no Margaret Hopkins for the approximate d.o.b.
1851 not shown on census record for the Hopkins family. 1861 aged 11, 1871 aged 22, 1881 aged 23?
If Margarets parents were not married would the birth registration for Margaret be recorded under her mothers name and not that of Hopkins her father?

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