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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA ethnicity logic check / Unexpected result
« on: Thursday 06 October 22 13:13 BST (UK)  »
There has been one final DNA development:

DJ. He and I share 27.2%, 1,929.2 cM, 38 segments with the largest being 127.5 cM.

There were two possibilities: Uncle or half-brothers. His relationship matched with all the others as expected, meaning there was only one possibility left: he is a half-brother.

So I guess now we know who my biological father is too.

What a weird year this has been!!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA ethnicity logic check / Unexpected result
« on: Tuesday 04 October 22 12:54 BST (UK)  »
Well, there has been a further development. A man who was the brother of the suspected aunt in this scenario (so would be my uncle) has done a DNA test too and has also come back as a close match - albeit not as close as his sister.

So I now have the following results:

BC (Suspected FC1R) and I share: 7.7% of our DNA, 543.2 cM, 25 segments with the largest being 71.1 cM.

PW (Suspected FC) and I share: 16% of our DNA, 1,130.7 cM, 37 segments with the largest being 88.1 cM.

PI (Suspected Aunt) and I share: 30.4% of our DNA, 2,153.5 cM, 41 segments and the largest is 166.3 cM

DP (Suspected Uncle) and I share: 22.6% of our DNA, 1,599.6 cM, 38 segments and the largest 136.9 cM.

Further to this, the man we suspect who may be my half-brother (by proxy of all the circumstantial evidence) is also doing a test and his result should be available this week.

What I am curious about is the DNA testing. I know DNA ranges can fluctuate anyway naturally, depending on the nature of the relationship and the sex of the person involved but both the potential aunt and uncle either come close to the 25% DNA / 1,750 cM threshold - or exceed it; however, their father died 10 years before I was born, so there's no possible way they and I could be the half-siblings. As such, if the assumed half-brother comes in around the same percentage, presumably there'd be no way from those numbers to distinguish the nature of all our relationships other than circumstantial evidence - so is there any kind of DNA test that he and I could take that would definitively tell us whether or not he and I are cousins or half-brothers?

Unfortunately his/our father is dead, so it's not an option for us to use him as a basis for comparison. My mother is dead, so I cannot get a sample of her DNA to use that to distinguish, and his own mother is completely in the dark about what is happening as they're concerned it will upset her - so she's out of the picture too. Is there any way to know for sure if there's no other way of obtaining DNA which would help establish specific differences?

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I mean, I'd like to know names and maybe see pictures just so I know who they are. But I'm not really interested beyond that. Of course, if they wanted to say hello, they'd be more than welcome - as anyone would be. But they're not getting invites to Christmas dinner etc. They're just strangers to me and I know who my real family are.

The only real horrific concern I have is "Oh my God! What if I'd snogged or married a cousin/sibling?" and never known. lol

If anything, I just hope stories like these serve as a stark moral warning to others about having affairs or cheating on people: it's rarely the people who have the tryst who end up dealing with the consequences of their actions!

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What great progress & thanks for the update!
Knowing that your biological father is most likely the full sibling of your highest DNA match certainly points you in the right direction.

Well, we're almost 100% certain we know which of the three brothers it is through lots of circumstantial evidence, unfortunately he is dead so cannot be tested, and I am told it's unlikely that his other children would ever be tested - or get tested of their own volition either.

Although one of the brothers is apparently intrigued enough that he's considering testing himself. Which I guess means he's confident enough that it's not him. lol At least it would narrow it down to two.

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Well, we got the last test back:

BC (the daughter) and I share: 7.7% of our DNA, 543.2 cM, 25 segments with the largest being 71.1 cM.

PW (the mother) and I share: 16% of our DNA, 1,130.7 cM, 37 segments with the largest being 88.1 cM.

PI (the grandmother) and I share: 30.4% of our DNA, 2,153.5 cM, 41 segments and the largest is 166.3 cM

So the grandmother is almost certainly my aunt. So I have an aunt, first cousin, and first cousin once removes respectively.

I believe someone else in the family might be prepared to do a test to rule themselves out, but if that were they case, it would only confirm they weren't a parent - just an uncle.

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My half first cousins match me at 572 cM and 483 cM.  Whilst at the low end it is possible that the mother could be a half sibling.

Sorry to jump onboard but I've today found a new (unknown) match with...

1st – 2nd Cousin
8% shared DNA
578 cM across 21 segments

I've been in touch & will wait for a reply as to connections prior to jumping to conclusions  ;)

I can't recall if AndyH81 actually listed the % shared DNA & segments with his matches?

Annie

BC (the daughter) and I share: 7.7% of our DNA, 543.2 cM, 25 segments with the largest being 71.1 cM.

PW (the mother) and I share: 16% of our DNA, 1,130.7 cM, 37 segments with the largest being 88.1 cM.

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Ok. I thought based on everything I'd read that in order for someone to be a half-sibling you had to share at least 25% of your DNA or more to have that relationship and not that it could be lower.

Either way, that's not going to be the case as it's the women in the family I am related to, so the only way I could be the mother's half-brother is if her parents were too related, which to the best of my knowledge, they're not! Nobody was born with an extra head that I know of anyway.

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Also depends upon being tested with the same Company.

My Ancestry DNA matches have quite different cM figures on the comparison websites.

DNA Painter gives your 572cM as a 1/2 First Cousin at a 83% Probability and the 483cM the same at 89%

If you have not used their WATO tool, give it a go and see the vatios hypothesis’s that it presents

I think the percentages the two of us are referring to might be two different things? Yours seem to be saying the percentage of probability of X relationship. The percentages I am talking about is the total percentage of DNA that we share.

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Just some food for thought. My half first cousins match me at 572 cM and 483 cM.  Whilst at the low end it is possible that the mother could be a half sibling.

I'd have to double-check, but I think her father died before I would have been conceived.

Also, I thought that half-siblings generally shared 25% or more DNA with another half-sibling (she and I "only" share 16%) and could be fairly accurately identified as half-siblings without too much guess work.

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