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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Else Family of Ashover
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi Spendlove, I have tried to access the familysearch.org website but it is blocked to me. This is possibly due to the fact I live in Moscow. I don't usually have this sort of problem but some servers seem paranoiac about security issues. Cheers Zanuda.

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Else Family of Ashover
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 13:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi, marp and spendlove,
 Thanks for your interest in trying to solve the Richard/i/us issue. It now seems that there  must be 3 Richards.
1. Richard married 1603 to Ann Glossop, both died 1639
2. Richard born 1603 married Mariae
3. Richard born 1641 to Maria & Richard 2
This scenario means that Richard 2 was alive to sign the Protestation return in 1641. Richard & Ann are red herrings and from a different family branch.
Don't we just wish our ancestors had a bit more imagination when naming their offspring. I'll go with this until someone throws a spanner in my tree.

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Derbyshire / Re: Richard Else, South Wingfield 1603
« on: Wednesday 22 September 21 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply emeltom. The Richard Else father / son explanation is the logical answer, I'll continue my research using this approach. Appreciate your help and interest.

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Derbyshire / Richard Else, South Wingfield 1603
« on: Tuesday 21 September 21 15:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi from a first poster.
I wonder if anyone could help me with some issues arising from an entry in my 'family tree' for Richard/Richardus Else b.1603, Ashover, Derbyshire, and his wife Ann Gibbons b.1605, (source family tree, findmypast.com) There is a record of their marriage on 02 June 1603, South Wingfield, Derbyshire, which of course invalidates their birth dates.
Richard had a son William Else b.1639 whose mother is recorded as Mariae (sic).
Richard Else died and was buried 24 Feb 1639 South Wingfield and Ann Else (Gibbons) died and was buried 16 Feb 1639 South Wingfield, eight days apart! A family tragedy perhaps; but then baby William was baptised 24 April 1639, South Wingfield presumably by Mariae.
I have wondered whether there was a second Richard Else living at the time or if Mariae was a mistress,- would an illegitimate birth have even been recorded at the time?
I admit that I am new to this ancestral sleuthing so I may have made some errors, and as four hundred years have passed and records are not plentiful perhaps imagination will have to suffice. Rgds Zanuda.

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Else Family of Ashover
« on: Monday 20 September 21 20:20 BST (UK)  »
I came across this thread and realised that the Else family is part of my lineage.
 William Else (1685 -1738) married to Elizabeth Heathcote is my 7 times great grandfather.
That is to set the scene,but after following the line back to Richard/Richardus Else, alive at the end of the sixteenth century,I have discovered a mystery.
I have been deliberately vague about the birth date for R Else, it was thought to be 1603 by another family member but I discovered a notification of a marriage that took place between Richard Else and Ann Gibbons on 02 June 1603.
Richard had a son William Else bapt 24 April 1639. Mariae (sic) is recorded as the mother. - A mistress? I can't find the connection. Now the mystery: Richard Else was buried 24 Feb 1639 Ann Gibbons was buried 16 Feb 1639, both in South Wingfield. Was it a tragic coincidence that left Mariae holding the baby.
As I am new to this ancestral sleuthing, I may have made errors but I would love to hear from anyone with any thoughts, comments or explanations. Rgds Zanuda.

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