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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Sunday 22 August 21 20:19 BST (UK) »
I see you already referenced that. Thank again.
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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Sunday 22 August 21 19:28 BST (UK) »
I've found a flaw in the Kirkandrews Moat School theory! I googled a photo of the school: above the front door is carved in stone "Moat School Erected 1869". This wasn't yet built when my G Grandfather was a "scholar" in 1861. I appreciate your help; if you stumble across an alternative theory please let me know?
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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Saturday 21 August 21 09:11 BST (UK) »
Oh, I have googled further; of course Carwinley is still there. I live in Australia. I'm just starting to realize what a beautiful part of the world this is! Thomas Watson Graham used this as his address.
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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Thursday 19 August 21 21:11 BST (UK) »
Yes, my G Grandfather's elder brother, aged 11, is recorded in the census as a 'Niper'. Some kind of child labour is suspect.
Is there any chance that there are records for Kirkandrews Moat school?
Is there any chance that there are records for Kirkandrews Moat school?
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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Thursday 19 August 21 14:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks - that all makes good sense. The census pages (11) I am looking at are for the "Township" of Netherby. They include Netherby Hall itself and all the staff an servants there. I had thought there would be a Netherby School; I saw it mentioned somewhere but I can't find it now; perhaps it was at a different time.
Carwhinley is a locál / hamlet that seems to have gone. I found a list of administrations: Thomas Watson Graham of Bruntonshill Carwhinley Longtown - 1938.
There are many farms covered in those 11 pages; only one railway gang. I think you are right to suggest that they were there to deal with one particular task.
I used the word 'gang' because I believe that it is a term used for a group of railway workers. I have seen the word "Railway Ganger" used for a railway Foreman. You can google it and it comes up in a list of Victorian occupations. I found another relative who was an apprentice 'loriner': that is a person who makes the metal bits on a horses harness; nobody seems to know what a loriner is anymore!
Carwhinley is a locál / hamlet that seems to have gone. I found a list of administrations: Thomas Watson Graham of Bruntonshill Carwhinley Longtown - 1938.
There are many farms covered in those 11 pages; only one railway gang. I think you are right to suggest that they were there to deal with one particular task.
I used the word 'gang' because I believe that it is a term used for a group of railway workers. I have seen the word "Railway Ganger" used for a railway Foreman. You can google it and it comes up in a list of Victorian occupations. I found another relative who was an apprentice 'loriner': that is a person who makes the metal bits on a horses harness; nobody seems to know what a loriner is anymore!
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Cumberland / Re: Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Wednesday 18 August 21 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi, Thanks for that.
I'm Building a bigger picture. The railway workers billeted at Bruntonshill Farm seem to be just one 'gang': with 7 stone quarriers; a carpenter; a foreman and workers.
I found a map that shows all, including the school.
I'm Building a bigger picture. The railway workers billeted at Bruntonshill Farm seem to be just one 'gang': with 7 stone quarriers; a carpenter; a foreman and workers.
I found a map that shows all, including the school.
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Cumberland / Netherby Hall Estate - Bruntons Hill Farm
« on: Tuesday 17 August 21 18:36 BST (UK) »
Hello,
The 1861 Census shows my GG Grandfather living at a 'railway construction workers camp' located on Bruntons Hill Farm, which was then still part of the Netherby Hall Estate. I assume that land was leased to the railway construction company to provide accommodation and food for its workers. This was for the construction of the 'Border Union Railway' or 'Waverley Route'.
There were 7 temporary dwellings, providing accommodation for 21 labourers and their families: a total of 49 people including 17 children.
My G Grandfather who was then aged 9, was recorded as a "Scholar"; many of the other children were also 'scholars'. This implies that they was attending a school somewhere in the vicinity.
I would love to hear from any enthusiasts of Netherby Hall who might be able to shed some light on this for me. I believe there was a Netherby School: are there any records?
The 1861 Census shows my GG Grandfather living at a 'railway construction workers camp' located on Bruntons Hill Farm, which was then still part of the Netherby Hall Estate. I assume that land was leased to the railway construction company to provide accommodation and food for its workers. This was for the construction of the 'Border Union Railway' or 'Waverley Route'.
There were 7 temporary dwellings, providing accommodation for 21 labourers and their families: a total of 49 people including 17 children.
My G Grandfather who was then aged 9, was recorded as a "Scholar"; many of the other children were also 'scholars'. This implies that they was attending a school somewhere in the vicinity.
I would love to hear from any enthusiasts of Netherby Hall who might be able to shed some light on this for me. I believe there was a Netherby School: are there any records?
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