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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 01:16 BST (UK)  »
Where did you find that reference number?  It may refer to a location which which no longer exists.  I can't see a surviving will listed in either the 1484-1858 Index (available on Findmypast) or the PRONI Name Search:

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/ProniNames_IE/ResultDetails.aspx

Donna Marie - Here is the web address but you are right, it says at the bottom of these wills that they did not survive. Thanks for your help.

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/447649:62077?ssrc=pt&tid=57782031&pid=32260690740

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Wednesday 21 September 22 01:09 BST (UK)  »
I'm assuming you mean for the Will? Not sure about a documentary number. It is Eire, R.B. 877, Diocese - Connor, District Registry Belfast, Bay 1A, Tray 79
I totally understand your time contraints!

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Tuesday 20 September 22 03:21 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: DonnaMarie1982 on Saturday 24 July 21 03:52 BST (UK)
Quote from: cdnbooklover on Friday 23 July 21 04:17 BST (UK)

Clements father, John Bell, could be either of these ones listed as being from Glenavy in the Will Index for 1843 and 1846. Anyone have the capability of looking up what the Will actually said?

Ireland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866

I'm hoping to pop over sometime soon when work and Covid allows. Not all the wills listed in the index have survived sadly but I will do a look up if no one else gets to it first.

Donna Marie -
If you make it to Belfast, please remember to look up my Clements Bell (b. 1793) from The Leap, Ballyvorally, Glenavy, County Antrim and his father, John Bell who may have died in 1843 or 1846 as listed in the Index to Wills, 1591-1866. If you wouldn't mind checking the baptism and marriage records for St. Aidan's COI for other children of John Bell. I'm still uncertain where John Bell fits in to all the other Bells from Aghnadarragh, Ballyvorally and Killead. Any help would be so appreciated!!

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Antrim / Re: Bells from Glenavy Parish, County Antrim, Ireland
« on: Thursday 14 July 22 05:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for information. The John Bell that was referenced could possibly be a brother to my ancestor, Clements Bell. As of now, I don't have evidence that they are related, but there is a good chance they are. I will continue to do research!
Karen

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Antrim / Bells from Glenavy Parish, County Antrim, Ireland
« on: Monday 04 July 22 00:49 BST (UK)  »
I would love to hear from you if you have connections to any Bells from Glenavy, County Antrim, Ireland (especially from Ballyvorally Townland). Clements Bell was born there in 1793 with John Bell named as his father. I would like to know John's wife's name and any other children born to them.

Thank you for your time!
Karen

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 05:58 BST (UK)  »
Posted by: DonnaMarie1982
Reply #54 on: Sunday 18 July 21 -

The discussion regarding whether my 2x great-grandfather, Clements Bell, could be a brother of Dolway Bell of BellGrove, Glenavy Parish - I found the Directory of Ulster Doctors states Dolway was buried in the Glenavy Roman Catholic Graveyard which indicates that he was of that faith. My Clements Bell was a member of the Glenavy Church of Ireland. So wouldn't that likely mean they were not from the same family?

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Antrim / Re: Bells from Glenavy Parish, Upper Masserene Barony, County Antrim
« on: Saturday 24 July 21 04:24 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Elwyn Soutter on Friday 23 July 21 11:25 BST (UK)
At the time many reivers were moved to Ireland (c 1610 - 1630), the Borders were pretty lawless. Presbyterianism had made big advances across much of central Scotland but had not had any impact in the Borders. The few Ministers in the area were Church of England/Episcopalian but most had been driven from their parishes by the reivers, and folk rarely attended any church. Children weren't baptised and marriages were solemnised by handfasting. So when they arrived in Ireland few were allied to any denomination and in Fermanagh anyway, most ended up Church of Ireland, not Presbyterian.That could well be the case for those in Antrim too.

The Border Reivers by Gordon Wilson pub c 1974 contains a lot of background, and in particular mentions that the church had ceased to function in the Borders in the early 1600s.

This is all new information for me and so fascinating. Thanks so much for your post!

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Antrim / Bells from Glenavy Parish, Upper Masserene Barony, County Antrim
« on: Friday 23 July 21 05:01 BST (UK)  »
So I just purchased the book Frontiersmen and Settlers: The Bells in Scotland, Ireland and Canada by William C. Wonders.

I had always been told that the Bells came from Scotland to Ulster. Knowing that my 2x great-grandfather, Clements Bell b. 1793 in Glenavy, emigrated from County Antrim to Ontario, Canada in 1846, I was really interested in learning more about the Bells being one of the riding clans of the Borders area of Scotland.

I learned a lot already but came across something that made me think maybe my Bell ancestors were English settlers in Ulster and not from Scotland. This author states,

"In County Antrim Hume noted specific areas of Bell concentrations northwest of Randalstown in Drummaul Parish, Upper Toome Barony; south of Ballymena in Connor Parish, Lower Antrim Barony; in northern Ballynure Parish, Lower Belfast Barony; in Grange of Muckamore Parish, Lower Massereene Barony, on Antrim Bay of Lough Neagh just south of the town of Antrim; and in Glenavy Parish, Upper Massereene Barony, on the south shore of Lough Neagh's Sandy Bay. He reported that the latter families were English, but did not comment on the ethnicity of the other Bells. It seems likely that these other Bells were Scots, as Presbyterianism was the largest Protestant denomination in these four baronies."

My "Clements Bell" was a member of the Church of Ireland, not a Presbyterian which many Scots were. However, I believe I read somewhere that the Bells from the Borders were not particularly religious and in Ireland may have associated themselves with the COI just to have marriages recognized, etc. Is there anyone out there who might have some insights??

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Friday 23 July 21 04:17 BST (UK)  »
I forgot to include this in my previous reply.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/41928045/john_bell_leap_county_antrim/?xid=637

So apparently Clements had a sister or a niece named Margaret b. 1820, daughter of John Bell of Leap, County Antrim which I know was the home of my 2x great-grandfather, Clements Bell. 27 years seems like quite a spread between the birth of Clements, then his sister, Frances, and then this Margaret. Maybe Clements had a brother named John who inherited the home named Leap and this is his daughter.

Clements father, John Bell, could be either of these ones listed as being from Glenavy in the Will Index for 1843 and 1846. Anyone have the capability of looking up what the Will actually said?

Ireland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866


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