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The birth was registered by his mother.  Thanks for letting me know her mother's maiden name was Jackson.  I will look for people with the name Dyson on the 1911 census and see if I can find anything

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Cyril Lewis's birth certificate came today and it mentions he was born at Prince Street, Netherton, Dudley. As I suspected, it shows his father's section to be blank. It also mentions his mother Lily's occupation was domestic servant. As there's no details on his father, it makes me wonder where Cyril's middle name Dyson came from, unless it was Lily's mother's maiden name.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, when Lily and Cyril were living in Wolverhampton in 1939, there was a Frank Lewis who lived down the road who appears to have been unrelated as I traced his family and found they originated from Willenhall (for members who don't know the Black Country Willenhall is between Wolverhampton and Walsall) and they were lock makers like so many people in Willenhall.

I wonder if Cyril might have known Frank and that could possibly have been why he used the name Frank for his imaginary father on the marriage certificate.  I was also thinking as Lily was a domestic servant, could the father have been her employer as I know this did happen

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I've ordered Cyril's birth certificate now, it will be very interesting to see what it says about his father. It was mentioned on here about how Cyril's middle name Dyson might have had connections with his father. Although the Frank Lewis mentioned on the marriage certificate might not have existed, I remember seeing on the 1939 census a few years ago there was a Frank H. Lewis living just down the road from Lily and Cyril. This Frank had a surname as his middle name, it was Henshaw, but I don't think there's any connection

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I wonder where he was in 1921, perhaps living with relatives?

Good question yes where was he. Possibly with grandparents? 

Were Lily's parents Thomas and Hannah  :-\

Hannah was a widow in 1901 age 43 bn Dudley living Wolverhampton

Lily's parents were Thomas and Hannah, sorry about the late reply. I wonder why they moved to Wolverhampton? Cyril and Lily were living on the western outskirts of Wolverhampton in 1939 in what was then a fairly new house

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I am going to order the certificate, was the £3.00 order mentioned for viewing the birth index record?

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Lily Louisa is showing as a single woman in 1921 - working in service in Teddington, Middlesex

I saw this record recently and how Cyril wasn't mentioned, I wonder where he was in 1921, perhaps living with relatives? It looks even more like Frank Lewis was just invented by him for the marriage certificate

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Dyson could be the fathers name but if so will be difficult to find which Mr Dyson it may have been.

For Lily to say she was a widow wasn’t unheard of either, more respectable than saying you were unmarried if living alone with a child. 

Do let us know what the birth says and if we can help further.

I think I'd heard this before, that an unmarried woman with a child said they were a widow because of how it was more respectable

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It's possible Cyril was illegitimate and made up a fathers name when he got married which wasn't unheard of.
There may not be a Frank Lewis but if you obtain the birth certificate for Cyril it will have his parent(s) on it.

In these cases middle names can often be a clue to the father so Dyson in this case. 

Also fathers weren't always noted as deceased even if they were as just their names were asked for.

To summarise the first step would be to get the birth for Cyril and see if a father is named  :)

Note no mothers maiden name is listed for his birth on the General Register Office birth index.

I didn't see about how no mother's maiden name is listed before, I was sure when I saw his entry his mother's maiden name was shown as Lewis, which made me wonder if he was illegitimate

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It's very interesting to think Cyril made up his father's name for the marriage if he was illegitimate, I've never heard of this before. I often wonder where the name Dyson came from, I can get his birth certificate to find out.

I also never knew fathers always weren't shown as deceased as other marriage certificates I've got show fathers as deceased and I just remembered Doris's father (my great grandad's brother in law) was shown as deceased on their certificate. 

Lily was the Lily Louisa Lewis you mentioned, she would have been single at the time she died, but if she had been married then her husband (if he existed) would have died before 1939

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