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Norfolk / Re: Birth in Norfolk in 1884 — listing births on a particular day?
« on: Saturday 12 April 25 08:39 BST (UK)  »
Thanks a lot for all this. It makes more sense now!

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Norfolk / Birth in Norfolk in 1884 — listing births on a particular day?
« on: Friday 11 April 25 17:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I am trying to work out the origins of someone born in Norfolk (apparently in Burnham area) on 5 November 1884. I don't think he was born under the name he later used (Harry John Ellis) or that his father was necessarily his biological father. But I do have the claimed exact date of birth from a baptism record (he was baptised aged 8 years old).

Is there any way of checking (through civil registration records or something else) who was born on a particular day in Norfolk and/or the registration district)? Or some other way of identifying parentage? It could help narrow the possibilities down to a few people. Thanks.

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Suffolk / Re: Edward Salmon, born about 1811, Bury St Edmunds?
« on: Tuesday 13 August 24 17:28 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the comments — as you said, Edmund Salmon who died in April 1851 was listed in the 1851 census as a "superannuated excise officer".

He had a son Edmund Salmon (1794-1867). Definitely a separate person. I thought it might be possible to have children named both Edward and Edmund, although it seems a bit odd.

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Suffolk / Edward Salmon, born about 1811, Bury St Edmunds?
« on: Tuesday 13 August 24 16:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi, perhaps someone can help with this...

I've recently encountered a DNA match whose ancestors include Edward Salmon, born about 1811 in Bury St Edmunds, died April 1894 in Woodbridge, Suffolk. He married Anne Cole and appears in the 1841-1891 censuses (living in Woodbridge).

My maternal grandmother is descended from Salmons from Norfolk/Suffolk so there is a possibility that Edward Salmon is the child of Edmund Salmon (1770-1851) and Amelia Mortimer (1774-1842), who are my 5th great-grandparents. I have no information to confirm either way but perhaps someone out there can help explain Edward Salmon's parentage?

Thanks!

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Tyrone / Re: Makenay in Tyrone?
« on: Thursday 21 December 23 16:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks! I actually worked it out after looking at the Irish Deeds Index. It's:

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/kildress/oritor/mackenny/

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Tyrone / Makenay in Tyrone?
« on: Thursday 21 December 23 15:44 GMT (UK)  »
I just got the below summary of a will from PRONI (from T/808, Pre-1858 Wills and Admons):

Will proved in Armagh diocese
ABSTRACT of
Armagh Will made 18 June 1734 Proved 15 Oct 1734
Mr John Birkby of Stewartstown co Tyrone
lease in Stewartstown held with right of renewal
to wife & children
uncle Gordon of Makenay
father James Birkby of Magherafelt
Mr James Gordon of Makenay to be assistant to
wife as Executrix
Witnesses Rev Willm Chichester
James Gordon father in law of Testator
And' Carmichael all of Dungannon town co Tyrone
Probate to Jane Birkby widow & Executrix


This is a typewritten document, not handwritten. Does anyone know what "Makenay" in Tyrone or Armagh might be called now? Could it be Maghery? Or somewhere else? Thanks!

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Hi, just thought I would update this, and see if anyone can add information.

I tried PRONI and they had no relevant baptism information.

However, using a mix of DNA tests and reference to newspapers, I am hypothesising that Mary Ann White's father was William James Birkby or Burby, born about 1870, who was the son of John Birkby and Nancy Dempsey. He lived in Carclinty townland, next to Killydonnelly. There is a newspaper article mentioning an "assault" by William James Birkby on Lizzie White of Killydonnelly, so the two people definitely had some kind of contact. This would be consistent with the DNA evidence, which demonstrates a link to Thomas Birkby (1801-1875, died in Toome, Antrim, and a local schoolmaster) and Mary Noble (born about 1805). John Birkby (born about 1839) was their son.

I'm putting this online just for other people's information and also because it's hard to find information about the Birkby family in Antrim. The family name has been spelt in many different ways: Birkby, Birkbey, Burby, Burpee, Brigby to name a few. If anyone has more information about Thomas Birkby and Mary Noble I'd be interested to know.

Thanks!

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Antrim / Re: Mooney Family , Ballymena area
« on: Thursday 15 July 21 17:10 BST (UK)  »
I'm related by marriage to John Mooney (~1810-~1869) who was married to Mary Ann Kincart/Cathcart (~1810-1899). Their grandson (John Mooney, son of John Mooney) was my grandmother's first husband. Over the generations, the whole family appear to has moved frequently back and forth between the Ballymena area in Antrim and Glasgow (eg my grandmother had three children to John Mooney, two born in Bellshill outside of Glasgow, one in Ballymena).

Perhaps the first John Mooney was the (grand-)father of some of these children?

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Thanks for all these replies! There are many potential explanations but I would guess that an error is the most likely.

There's no record of a female child dying around that time and the birth certificate is consistent with his stated age at other times. A mistaken gender or intersex is also possible, although given the time (Australia in the 1870s) I'm not sure if there would have been reconstructive surgery advanced enough to allow him to father children. DNA tests indicate that he really was the parent (the children weren't adopted).

I guess it's also possible that his parents decided to raise a boy as a girl for whatever reason, but there's no other evidence for that. There's no correction on the birth certificate but perhaps no-one in his family ever looked at it while he was alive.

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