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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Assistance please, seeking John Robert WARD'S parents
« on: Monday 15 January 24 21:26 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Debra,

Thank you so much for the information and the link. I am not sure, however, which parish that I should be searching, under the link.

Best regards,
Robert

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Assistance please, seeking John Robert WARD'S parents
« on: Sunday 14 January 24 05:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ivy,

John Robert Ward was also my 2nd great-grandfather. The information that I have which I expect to be reliable identifies his parents as Thomas Ward (born about 1794) and his wife Mary (born about 1805), both parents having been born in Ireland.

May I ask from which of John Robert Ward's children that you are a descendant?

Best,
Robert

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Fife / Re: Name Change: Douglas to Drysdale
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 17:52 GMT (UK)  »
Strictly hypothetical. but I would venture that Simon Drysdale may have been the first to put an oral history down on paper. While the 3 brothers were still alive, the ruse of changing their name would have been negated if a written document could have been found by the authorities which incriminated them. So it would not have been prudent for them to put their story in writing. By 1620 all 3 would have been deceased and that danger of discovery would have passed.

Yes, now that you mention it, that document language is rather poetic.

I have wondered too why they didn't just charge the Johnstons a commensurate fee for entering their property for a specific purpose rather than killing them.

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Fife / Re: Name Change: Douglas to Drysdale
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 04:59 GMT (UK)  »
I see that the document received by the Dunfermline Press was typed and the place name is Greenstonhill. It would seem not unreasonable that Greenstonhill from this press document could be one and the same as Greenhill from your map. Great research to come up with all these historical documents!

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Fife / Re: Name Change: Douglas to Drysdale
« on: Thursday 04 January 24 20:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ronda,

There are many Scottish place names in South Africa. In particular, within Johannesburg there are 2 suburbs named Greenstone Hill and Brushwood Haugh.

Best regards,
Robert

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Fife / Re: Name Change: Douglas to Drysdale
« on: Thursday 04 January 24 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ronda231,

Those are excellent points regarding the "Origin of the Drysdales" document.

Best regards,
Robert

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Clackmannanshire / Re: Drysdale family roots in Clackmannanshire in 15th & 16th Centuries - family tree
« on: Monday 01 January 24 01:40 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much for the updated charts Ronda!

Happy New Year!
Robert

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Clackmannanshire / Re: Drysdale family roots in Clackmannanshire in 15th & 16th Centuries - family tree
« on: Monday 25 December 23 23:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ronda,

Yes, that James Drysdale is my ancestor. The date of April 24, 1860 matches. What a wonderful holiday gift that you have provided. Thank you! 

It would appear going back that ancestors prior to James had been living in Tillicoultry before Clackmannan. One was even married in Dollar. It would at least seem possible that they could be linked to the 3 Douglas brothers. Given your chart going back to the early 1400s, however, it would certainly seem that there would have been a lot of Drysdales in the area beneath the Ochil Hills prior to the arrival of the 3 Douglas brothers assuming that story is accurate. So the 3 Douglas brothers probably would have made up only a small percentage of the total Drysdales.

Do you know any Drysdales who can trace their genealogy back to any of these people from the tables that you have posted who has taken a Y-dna test? 

Regards & seasons greetings!
Robert

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Fife / Re: Name Change: Douglas to Drysdale
« on: Saturday 23 December 23 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
If we assume the story of the 3 Douglas brothers is true, that they changed their name to Drysdale which was already established in the area, what wouldn't change is their genetic marker, Douglas Y-DNA. Therefore, if a male today with the surname Drysdale took a Y-DNA test through Family Tree DNA but they were actually a descendant of one of the 3 Douglas brothers, they should get Y-DNA matches to people with the surname Douglas, and only Drysdales who were also in fact Douglas descendants.   

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