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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Thursday 28 January 21 22:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.
The Mason I'll keep as a person of interest for now, I'd not seen the further information.

I did see those two prison entries before, the laborer and tobacconist.
I wonder if the colony question is specific to SA and the person could of been Australian born but came to SA in 78. Depends on who is asking the question type of thing.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Thursday 28 January 21 18:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thomas is where it is frustrating.

I can find an Edward QUIN living in Gibson st, Bowden from 1878 through 1883. Occupation a Mason.
That is potentially close to Beatriceīs Quinn family both in location and time.

Itīs almost as if Thomas Michael did not exist until after they divorced where that name started appearing from mid to late 30īs and that seems more for the benefit of the police more than anyone else.
It does seem clear enough that Thomas Michael went by just Thomas prior to the 30īs.

When I search I can find zero Thomasīs born to an Edward between 1878-1888 in Australia, the closest I get is a John Thomas Quinn born to an Edward in NSW.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Thursday 28 January 21 15:00 GMT (UK)  »


Added: I wonder if the correct name for the father should be GRIFFIN - Alex/Aleck Griffin

I just saw this note and that is possible, I thought I saw another letter in there.
And on that It would make sense for the name to be Aleck which I have found mention of.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201815227/aleck-griffin
 Aleck Griffin
Birth    unknown
Death    17 Jan 1950
Burial    
North Brighton Cemetery

Name:    Alex Griffin
Birth Date:    8 Feb 1878
Birth Place:    Norton Summit
Registration Place:    Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father:    Charles Griffin
Mother:    Selena Goodes
Page Number:    338
Volume Number:    196
Brighton, Holdfast Bay City, South Australia, Australia

He would of been quite young at the time, 14 or 15.
I suppose he could of been a labourer but Mary probably knew better.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Thursday 28 January 21 12:48 GMT (UK)  »
I'm inclined to think the Edward is a coincidence as well.

Interesting about that orphan boy, would that mean that they took him in?
That is curious.

I can find a James Francis Quinn on familysearch who has enrolled 8 kids in school, one of those is an Imelda Eileen which are family names and there is a Bartholomew Eddy Quinn as well. So there is an Ed but they all have DOB in the 1900's.

I also just got off the phone with Mum, she knew nothing of Thomas but that makes sense as he died before she was born. She was totally under the idea that the maiden name was Pepper too. So maybe that has something to do with the father of Dorothy or Sylvia.
She confirmed they knew she was buried at West Terrace but had never found the grave.

The only things new she added was Beryl/Beatrice used to get in trouble with her RC church as she used to play tambourine in a Salvation Army group and she knew she lived on Halifax street and Kent Road later in life.

Also found this attached to one of the links previously posted.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/212328644/mary-horsburgh
Mary QUINN HORSBURGH
Died in Surrey Hills, VIC and buried in Dandenong.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Wednesday 27 January 21 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
Cheers, it does seem he is the same HERON associated with all the family trees I can find. I guess it is possible he died relatively alone in SA away from his first family as he was 'resident' in VIC on the relevant dates surrounding Thomas' birth.
It's possible they are just sharing a grave maybe?

That said if he was in SA in 1915 then maybe he could of been the witness at the marriage.
Why would he leave VIC then WA to end up in Adelaide, the unknown Mother?

Annoying coincidence or possibly vital info. I can't tell at this stage.

Interesting as I have him and family in Adelaide leaving for Albany in 1895.
https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1684/images/31730_222258-00861?pId=1975662

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Wednesday 27 January 21 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
John Quinn and Ann McGuire were married 28 May 1862 Adelaide.
Her father- John McGuire; His father – Thomas Quinn.
Their first child was a son named Thomas born on 10 June 1865 Port Adelaide; died 1930
John Quinn died 1913 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156529736/john-quinn

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the various Quinns were all related - so Beatrice and Thomas were cousins of some type.

I have speculated about that with this new information and it wouldnīt be surprising at all.
Funny thing is we always thought that perhaps the QUINN family associated with Thomas was possibly hiding something from the past but kind of dismissed it thinking the lack of info was likely because they were from Ireland. Turns out they had been here all that time.
And now the QUINN side has doubled which certainly wasnīt expected.

Not sure what to make of this Edward HERON that is buried with them, could be the same Edward that is listed as father for the marriage. But pretty sure I saw that listed as an Edward QUINN.
It may just be a coincidence.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Wednesday 27 January 21 15:53 GMT (UK)  »
All in all, amazing discoveries except for the Pepper link!   

I wonder if PEPPER was a name she used after the split with her husband. She may have been living with a partner, named Pepper. She would take his name and pretend they were husband and wife to avoid any scandal and gossip. Thus the Pepper name was remembered, even though at her death she was recorded as Quinn. I wonder if her death cert would show the names of witnesses?

In the Police records and in newspapers there are numerous and regular records from 1897 to 1907 for Mary Quinn being charged / fined / imprisoned - for being drunk in Adelaide or using indecent language.

Thanks again for the transcriptions and info on Dorothy.
There is also a list of police entries as long as an arm in regards to Thomas singular and Thomas Michael, they canīt all be him surely. Iīll do my best to get through them for both he and Mary.

Yeah the PEPPER part is what threw me and it seems that not just my direct family but the far removed family all list her as a PEPPER. There is one other Beryl PEPPER around those times too so maybe took inspiration from her. Iīm unsure if she ever had another partner, donīt think so but will bring it up with my Mum and get back with any useful information she may have. Going to ask if she knows where the grave is, among other things, and see if that correlates.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Wednesday 27 January 21 13:10 GMT (UK)  »
OK on lunch break, Ill address some of the remarks later today but have just found via the West Terrace Cemetery site That Thomas Michael was listed as age 56, so that would be 1886.
Buried in the same plot is Beatrice, which I find odd if they had separated years before but there is lots of odd here.

But there is a third burial in the plot, one...

Edward Heron, died 23 Oct 1924.
The age lists 0 so wonder what that would mean, either lost at birth or unknown. But it's an Edward.

https://aca-intramaps.byond.cloud/IntraMaps96/?project=West%20Terrace%20Public&module=West%20Terrace&layer=~Site&mapkey=WTC-CAW-V-143

Update: There is a family tree on ancestry with an Edward Heron that seems to have attached the same DOD to his story. This man looks to be a fine gentlemen with a large family so I'm unsure why he would be buried with my lot.

Genealogy SA has an Edward Heron listed as 81 years old, significant event 1924. This also roughly matches trees on Ancestry.

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Australia / Re: Thomas QUINN, South Australia?
« on: Wednesday 27 January 21 08:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Neale and Essie, some really good information there.

It's my first day back to work today so will need some time to review everything posted but should be able to look into it in breaks or this evening.

It's definitely not what I was expecting, plenty of questions raised. It's clear that the Quinn side goes back further in South Australian history than we thought. These dates are starting to get to pioneer territory now. Very interesting. There were rumours of something, not this however but as mentioned it could of been a cover for a scandal of some sort.

Ok need coffee.
Cheers.

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