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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Wednesday 27 April 22 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Douglas,

Following up on your question about whether MacLean Sinclair included annotations regarding the Achnasaul/Grisipol MacLeans who went to Ireland - unfortunately there are none beyond noting that Donald of Gunna was called "Donald Dubh".  I shall keep an eye out for Irish references in my research tho, as its an interesting element to the history.

Kind regards. Suzanne

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Wednesday 27 April 22 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello Douglas,

I hope your research is going well.  In your last post you mentioned you were looking into the families of the Macleans of Achnasaul.  I am wondering whether you have come across more detail about a "John MacLean of Achnasaul" who married Una, daughter of Hector Roy of Coll (Clan Gillean p375 towards the end of para 2).  Ive reviewed what i know of the Achnasaul line but cannot identify this John - he is not listed as a son in Clan Gillean for the relevant time frame.  Interestingly on p 409 MacLean Sinclair suggests that Hugh son of Hector 1st of Muck married a daughter of the laird of Coll (and annotated "Hector Roy").  Obviously, the dates are out, as Hugh was killed in the Battle of Inverkeithing in 1651 - and there is a missing generation in the Clan Gillean as the John referred to is born around the mid 1690s.  MacLean Bristol inserts a son "John" into the gap.  My working hypothesis (which needs further exploring) is that perhaps these two "Johns" are one and the same.  Either the historians mispoke, or perhaps "John" spent some time in Achnasaul after his cousins fled to Rum. Would welcome your thoughts.  S

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Thursday 27 January 22 03:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Douglas and Bagpipe

Firstly apologies that I have not responded to the thread sooner - 2021 has been a heck of a year, and I have only just returned to the RootsChat site.  I must also apologise - i must have been vey tired when crafting my first email - you are absolutely correct Douglas that the article by MacLean-Bristol is WHNQ Series 3 Number 7 (Jan 2005) p19-23.

Douglas, you mention that you think Rev John MacLean who went to Antrim is more likely to the son of Lachlan 3rd of Grishipol, rather than his brother.  This interests me, and i would like to hear more.  I have based my understanding on the entry in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae Vol 4 p62, which seems to align with Clan Gillean p402-403.  And you are completely correct - I inadvertently mixed up two Rev John MacLeans - the father of Ann (or Anna) who married John MacLean of the Grishipol family was the son of Ewen of Treshnish.

You asked about my links to the Tackmen of Rum:  I descend from Allan MacLean and Janet MacLean who emigrated to Australia in 1837 on the Brilliant. They are my 3x great grand parents.  Allan’s mother was Marion MacLean, daughter of Hugh MacLean and Flora MacLean. Marion had been married to a Charles MacLean (who i will come back to), and was widowed by the time of the emigration.  Janet was daughter of Hector MacLean and Mary MacLean - Hector was brother to Marion and therefore son of Hugh and Flora.  That makes Allan and Janet first cousins - there is a lot of endogamy in my family - i also have a third line of descent from Hugh and Flora through intermarriage.

Hugh and Flora’s families are outlined in the Tacksmen in Rum - Flora born 1745 to John MacLean and Rachel Campbell in Kinloch Scrisort, and Hugh born 1739 to John MacLean and Marion MacQueen (Sandineesher). Hugh's lineage and Hugh and Flora's descendents are listed in Clan Gillean p 409 and Marion is referenced in para 1 line 10. 

Flora’s family are outlined in Clan Gillean p395 (para 3 line 10).  On that same page, para 2 outlines the third MacLean family listed in MacLean Bristols Tacksmen in Rum paper - that of John MacLean and Mary MacLean of  Guirdal.  In an annotation from the 2005 publication by Lulu Publishers of the Clan Gillean, MacLean Sinclair had made a note against the end of that para. “Allan had a son Charles. Charles married Marion, daughter of Hugh Maclean, and had by her Allan, Hugh, and six daughters. Charles died young. His wife and children emigrated to New Zealand or Australia.”  This information accords exactly with our family structure, and so part of my research is to try to find out further information to support or disprove the annotated statement.

Footnote 12 in Tacksmen in Rum makes the connection between John MacLean of Guirdal as son of Charles, 4th son of John 2nd of Grishipol - ie Charles the Drover.  MacLean Sinclairs annotations provide some more insights - albeit confusing - into Charles the Drover - annotated against p403 para 1, line 13, is a statement that Charles married Mary, daughter of Neil MacLean of Drimnacross.  He has also annotated p412 para 1 line 3 where he references Neils youngest (?) daughter Janet to have married Charles of Gallenach - the annotation states to cross out “Gallanach” and insert “Grishipol”.   There is much to unravel here…..

Douglas, I hope your research is going well, and i look forward to reading more when you are published.    :)

Kind regards. Suzanne

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Argyllshire / Re: Donald McKenzie 1820 - ?
« on: Friday 08 January 21 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Keelan,

I can't provide any new information about your ancestors, but what an amzing coincidence, my 3xGGparents were nextdoor neighbours to your ancestors at Grishipol!!  My ancestors departed Coll on the Persian in 1857 and emigrated to Australia.

Good luck with your search,

Suzanne.

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Argyllshire / Re: Family of Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll
« on: Friday 08 January 21 07:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

According to https://archive.org/details/houseofargyllcol00glas/page/43/mode/1up  The House of Argyll book:

Archibald first married Lady Ann Douglas, and had a son and four daughters - the fourth being Mary, who married Sir Robert Montgomery.  He secondly married Ann, daughter of Sir WIlliam Cornwallis of Brome, and had a son (James) and a daughter Mary, who married James, Lord Rollo.

Does this help?

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Friday 08 January 21 06:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, 

I too have been researching Charles MacLean, the drover, as according to the research by MacLean Bristol, I am descended from him.  MacLean Bristol's research paper (Tacksmen of Rum, 2004) identifies John MacLean, Elder of Guirdal (Isle of Rum) as the eldest son of Charles Maclean s/o John 2nd of Grishipol.  Unfortunately no other sons or daughters are named in the research paper, but MacLean Bristol includes Hector and Lachlan as two other sons of Charles in a table at the end of the book From Clan to Regiment.

The family are referenced on p402 of Clan Gillean.  In an annotation to Clan Gillean, MacLean Sinclair indicates that Charles was married to Janet, youngest dau of Neil of Drimnacross, (correcting/changing his record on p412).

John MacLean (Iain mac Thearlach) married Mary MacLean, dau of Allan (s/o Neil of Drimnacross) - so they were first cousins if Charles' marriage to Janet is correct.  John is dead by 1764, and his son Allan is the tacksman of Guirdal at that time according to the 1764 Census of the small isles.  Mary is still alive and living with her daughter Florry and Florry's husband Charles at the time of the census.

Interestingly, Rev John (brother to Lachlan and Charles) had a daughter Ann, who married John, s/o Allan s/o Neil of Drimnacross (ie Mary's brother), so it was a pretty tight knit family.  Not surprising given that Lachlan, Rev John, Hugh, and Charles were great grandsons of the Laird of Coll (Hector 5th Coll), as were Mary and her brother John great grandchildren to Lachlan 7th Coll.

Hope this is useful (and not too confusing).

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