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Hi all,
Hope evryone's having a wonderful summer. I'd like to ask for some help in locating the marriage/deaths of three brothers born c. 1840 in Lambeth. It's a strange family, with people having chaned names a few times. The brothers in question are Thomas Watson b. 1834, Albert Watson b. 1841 and Charles Watson b. 1843. They are the extramarital children of Thomas Trinder (1787-1852) and Frances Watson nee Dodson (1804-).  Following the death of his wife Martha, Thomas cohabited with Frances Watson and has three children with her. Thomas and Frances can be seen on Lambeth rough settlement exams, about which more information can be found here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849100.0
Note that the children changed their names for an unknwn reason. Thomas is too old for a GRO registration, but 'Albert' was registered as
TRINDER, THOMAS  JAMES AUGUSTUS   
Mother's Maiden Surname: DODSON
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 259
and 'Charles' was registered as
TRINDER, CHARLES  HENRY ADOLPHUS THOMAS   
Mother's Maiden Surname: DODSON
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in LAMBETH
Frances and the three brothers can be found in '51: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8860/records/1927917?tid=115002760&pid=142318149498&ssrc=pt
In '71, with son Charles a painter
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7619/records/5570858?tid=115002760&pid=142318149498&ssrc=pt
Albert and Charles are living together in '61, Albert a potter's labourer and Charles a 'ILLEGIBLE board cutter'. Thomas can't be found with them.
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8767/records/6254706?tid=115002760&pid=142318149588&ssrc=pt
Best wishes,
Francis

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Devon / Re: parents for Thomas and John Cox 1801-1850
« on: Thursday 29 May 25 23:41 BST (UK)  »
Mary Ann (who married John Cox) was born in Brixton in Devon as Mary Ann BENNEAR. I am certain this is her since the surname Bennear appears as a middle name in some of their grandchildren
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62250/records/1794773?tid=&pid=&queryId=c99eb72c-3186-4f88-bb82-4d18cd8a00f6&_phsrc=zad50557&_phstart=successSource
This rasies the question as to whether this is the marriage. 'James Moxey' could be a mistranscription of John Cox
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62250/records/1794773?tid=&pid=&queryId=c99eb72c-3186-4f88-bb82-4d18cd8a00f6&_phsrc=zad50557&_phstart=successSource
Update: James Moxey was her first husband. Here's the marriage with John Cox:
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9852/records/4400617?tid=&pid=&queryId=0b6ec20b-4357-41db-b8f3-57e6f0481678&_phsrc=zad50564&_phstart=successSource
familysearch: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2C4-LNL?lang=pl
Anyone have access to see who the witnesses were?

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Devon / Re: parents for Thomas and John Cox 1801-1850
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 11:15 BST (UK)  »
Having looked at it again, I am not too confident that Thomas' brother John's wife had the maiden name Boon. This seems like a different family. Maybe if we found the marriage it might have some witnesses who were family. It would have happened in 1828 or so.

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Devon / parents for Thomas and John Cox 1801-1850
« on: Tuesday 27 May 25 17:17 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,
I would like to ask for some help in solving a brick wall. Specifically I am looking for parents for Thomas Cox, born c. 1801 in Devon. He is present in Exeter as a brewer in '41 with his wife Mary Jarman, and died in 1850.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8978/records/1448554?tid=115002760&pid=142261033825&ssrc=pt
I have looked for him before, but recently I made a breakthrough that might make the search a lot easier. His son James is in Exeter in '71 living next to Emanuel Cox, the son of John Cox (1802-1844) and Mary Ann Boon. Since they are neighbours, it seems likely that John and Thomas were brothers. This narrows the search to a couple who baptised a Thomas and a John Cox c. 1800 in Devon. One that I have considered and rejected is Thomas b.1801 in Doddiscombsleigh, whose brother John was baptised in 1806.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62250/records/602335?tid=115002760&pid=142261033825&ssrc=pt
This is because this Thomas can be traced in subsequent censuses, so he can't be my man.
Best wishes,
Francis  :D

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Suffolk / Re: marriage and children for John Stearn (1811-1860)
« on: Tuesday 27 May 25 16:31 BST (UK)  »
This is all excellent. I don't have the death cert. but the 1860 date chimes with everything else and is in the right location. Thanks so much guys!

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Suffolk / Re: marriage and children for John Stearn (1811-1860)
« on: Monday 26 May 25 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Looks very promising. Thanks so much!

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Suffolk / marriage and children for John Stearn (1811-1860)
« on: Monday 26 May 25 21:19 BST (UK)  »
Dear all,
I would like to find out if my relative John Stearn had any children. He was born in Fressingfield in 1811 to Charles Stearn and Mary Ann Bullock. He was the brother to Henry Bullock Stearn (1807-1875), Mary Ann Stearn (1808-1865) and Charles Stearn (1810-1884). He is living in Ipswich in 1851 as a widower, along with his sister and niece.
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8860/records/4890056
He died in Ipswich in 1861. Unfortunately, I can neither find a marriage for him nor find him in 1841, and I would like to find out if he left any children.
Best wishes,
Francis

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Worcestershire / Re: William Greenfield (1796-1873) did he have children? (Dudley)
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 14:00 BST (UK)  »
This is really odd. If William Henry Greenfield is listed in 1871 with his parents, he can't be the grandson of my man. And what to make of this?
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8860/records/8796570
Sarah Greenfield b. 1797 in 1851, listed as 'married' it seems (though very hard to tell if this is an M or a U) though not living with a husband, but a 'relative' of Benjamin Greenfield b. 1786 Dudley. Meanwhile, our William entered 'unmarried' in 1851. In both cases, if they really had children they must have had them long before, since they are already quite old in '51. What on earth could be going on?
FG

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Worcestershire / William Greenfield (1796-1873) did he have children? (Dudley)
« on: Tuesday 20 May 25 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I would like to please ask for some help in trying to clarify a contradiction concerning a relative. William Greenfield was born in 1796 in Dudley to Edward Greenfield and Mary Smith. He was the brother of Nancy (1798-?), Edward (1803-1872), John (1803-1863), George (1804-1808), Thomas (1804-?), Esther (1806-1844), Jane (1808-1888) and Maria (1814-1843). In '41 he is in Dudley with his mother. In '51 he is living with his nephew John (Maria's illegitimate son) and is listed as unmarried. However, in '61 he is listed as 'married' (though with no wife), living next to a Joseph Greenfield b.1774 who I assume is his uncle. Finally in '71 he is married with a wife, Sarah b. 1797 in Dudley and a 'grandson' William b. 1864 in Dudley. Now initially I thought that I must be dealing with two people of the same name but there is only one William Greenfield baptised at the right time to be my man. I want to clarify how many children William had, and what his relationship is with his purported grandson.
Best wishes,
Francis

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