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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry half price membership until 4th January.
« on: Friday 24 December 21 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Ahhh, thank you for the replies, most appreciated. Can I ask, am I pressing on the Membership....Cancel Membership button in my Account settings to stop the subscription? Ha! and definitely NOT the Delete Account button?

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry half price membership until 4th January.
« on: Thursday 23 December 21 13:41 GMT (UK)  »
Merry Christmas All!
Was wondering, the links to the cheaper subscriptions still appear to work, however, the suggestions on here are to cancel the existing subscription a few days before it runs out, and then renew using the half-price links. My worry is, if I do this, can I just log in as before and carry on revising and adding to my tree just as I have done previously?
If I try to renew using my same username and password, won't a window just pop up saying that someone (me!) is already using the same logins and I will have to use new ones.....effectively forcing me to start afresh!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with deciphering Workhouse Record
« on: Tuesday 05 January 21 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for the help. This is really interesting.

Can anyone please confirm what does 'Legit' actually mean....in what context was Lillian, Legit?

Would Lilian be admitted to the workhouse in 1913, and be discharged straight to the Industrial school only six months later? Would she have stayed there full time? Looking at the article, it says that the schools may have ceased as a 'Mental Institution' in 1910. I do have memories of Lilian as she was my Grandmother, I never thought of her as having such problems, although there has always been a story of either her sister or an Aunt being admitted!

Also, it looks as though Gladys was only in the workhouse for one day!....would this have been normal?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with deciphering Workhouse Record
« on: Tuesday 05 January 21 16:33 GMT (UK)  »
I thought that, but why would it be care of mother, if the mother is not there?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with deciphering Workhouse Record
« on: Tuesday 05 January 21 16:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All.
Wonder if someone could take a look at this. It’s the last two lines of the admission and discharge record from the St Pancras Workhouse Register. It looks as though my grandmother Florence Lilian Irons was admitted on 26/5/13 and discharged on 18/11/13. Gladys Irons would have been her baby sister but came in later and discharged earlier?

I would really like to know if anyone can decipher:

On the first page I cannot read the 6th column, ‘Condition’?
On the first page I cannot read the 7th column, ‘Calling’?

On the first page the 11th column ‘Name and address of parents, after Parents Fred and Eliza Irons, what are the abbreviations?

And on the first page 12th column ‘From whence admitted’, would 18 Piercefield Street and Park Hospital be one place, or two different addresses?

On the second page, what would C/O Mother mean?
Looks like something has been crossed out….can anyone read that?

Any help would be very much appreciated.

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Hi Peter, and all that have replied.

Thank you so much, it has been a real education! I feel as though I definitely want the truth to be told. It has slightly annoyed me that there are a fair few trees that have Joe and his siblings and sons and daughters, with absolutely no mention of my father as being a son of his.

This could be because strangely, I cannot seem to find a great deal of information on my father prior to his wedding in 1954. I have his birth certificate (no father mentioned). He was born at St Pancras Infirmary and given straight to Dr Barnardo’s. Joined the army just prior to war breaking out. Re-enlisted in 45 till 46/7, but I would love to know what happened to him between 1947 and 55…..there doesn’t appear to be any Electoral info, and there is no one else alive who could give me any info!

I’ll keep trying!

Thanks, everyone.


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It would be amazing to speak to someone who actually knew someone who knew him. He was only my Grandfather after all! Was he a nasty man? History would appear to make him so, but without the things he did, I wouldn't be here, nor, would my children....ha! and I think we've done some pretty beautiful things in our lifetimes so far.

I do wonder though.....are Joe's brothers my Uncles and Aunts....or Great Uncles and Aunts? The Uncles and Aunts I knew growing up were 'Marys' children, who would have been my fathers step sisters and brothers!

It gets all so confusing  :D

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Thank you so much for your reply.

As all the participants (apart from me!) are deceased, I guess I can explain further. The story goes that my fathers (let's call him Joe) mother was raped by her stepfather. I have obtained both my fathers and his mothers (let's call her Mary) birth certificates, and both have the father's name missing. Joe was put into Dr Barnardos in 1922, as soon as he was born.

I doubt I can ever prove that Mary was Joe's biological daughter, but as Marys Mother married Joe only eight months after Mary was born, and they lived in the same household at the time, it's likely that she possibly was. The rape took place when Mary was 22 (Joe's wife of twenty years had died two years previously), so Mary may have grown up believing that Joe was her biological Father.

There are several trees mentioning Joe, Mary, and Marys wife.....quite extensive trees. Joe apparently molested several of his daughters. One, of which had to be sent to Australia to escape, and another......I have a charge sheet outlining his sentence to prison for five years for the molestation and rape of a minor under thirteen. This is three years after the birth of my father.

Not one tree mentions this, nor is my father on any of the existing trees. It is as you say like my whole line has been airbrushed from history!

Ha! I need to write the book  :)


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Hello Everyone!

Fairly new to all this, but have already found a ton of information, and now ready to actually formulate the family tree. I guess this doesn’t come up too often, but I’m finding it a little difficult due to an….err…. a hiccup in the family and I’m not sure how to order a couple of family members.

Essentially there was a rape in the family where a father raped the daughter, resulting in the next in line. I guess you could say a generation was skipped, i.e., a Father and Grandfather for instance would be the same person! How then do you link everyone?

Any help would be appreciated.

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