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Clare / Miltown Malbay Church Census 1839
« on: Friday 07 November 08 12:31 GMT (UK)  »
I have found my ancestors in Breaghfa, Miltown Malbay and have copies of 4 pages of the Church Census where Corbett is mentioned.  There are other associated familys' names I want to find.  Where can I find a copy, to read through, rather than ask Clare Heritage Centre for a specific search?

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Clare / Re: Corbett in Clare
« on: Sunday 14 May 06 21:44 BST (UK)  »
Carol
Thank you for the information.
I am currently gathering random Corbetts.
I hope the Heritage Centre research comes up trumps.
Gordon

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Clare / Corbett in Clare
« on: Friday 28 April 06 16:51 BST (UK)  »
Help Wanted
Corbetts in Clare, all varients as part of One Name Study.
Particularly my ancestors, Patrick Corbett, his wife Jane (Joana) Connor and daughter Bridget born about 1849 in Clare.
The first mention I have of my ancestor was in the 1851 English national census, in Durham City.  Bridget was declared as being 1 year old.

Gordon Corbett
Northumberland

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Durham / Re: Bellalis Farm at Morpeth, early 1800s
« on: Friday 21 April 06 21:53 BST (UK)  »
Peggy
I am suprised that no-one has been in touch.
Take the road north out of Ponteland, through Berwick Hill to Old Horton and Horton Grange and then it goes to Blagdon.  Turn left (north at Horton Grange. Bellasis Bridge (map ref NZ 190777) is about a mile north of Horton Grange. It is a narrow hump backed bridge over the River Blyth.  About a quarter of a mile further on the right is a junction and a short track to Bellasis Farm.  Carry on and you get to Stannington.
Horton Grange Country House Hotel and Northumberland Cheese Company at Makemerich Farm are close and have websites.
Hope this helps
Gordon
ps This area is in Northumberland not Durham
g

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Steven
There are no Corbetts in Durham in the 1851 census although an English one does crop up later.
My photocopy/xerox is 20 years old.
Say the word "Cubit" and remember that the enumerator wrote down what he heard, and they were Irish, straight from Clare
Johana is an alternative to Jane (the Sunday Latin name).  She used this and Jane through the Catholic Church censuses, the National Censuses and the Baptisms, marriages and funeral entries that I viewed.
I was concerned , like you, when I could not find Corbetts and glad when they turned up.  You will note that they have living with them Derby O'Connor (Jane's surname is O'Connor or Connor depending on who has written it down) and Bridget Doherty.  The baptismal entry for  Michael Corbett reads "Born March 10 1852. baptised March 14 1852, Michael Corbett son of Patrick Corbett and Jayan nee O'Connor his wife.  Michael O'Connor and Bridget Doherty are godparents.
Other O'Connors are nearbye, in Framwellgate and they show in the Church registers
Patrick's occupation is constant in everything - shoemaker.
Subsequent censuses confirm the details.  By the way they are down as "Cobbet" in the 1854 Census of Roman Catholics and a Jeremiah Connor is with them.
Anyway, I, and another cousin working independently are satisfied and there is no alternative.
You will find with family history reseach that, as you go back in time the population decreases, the quality and quantity of the data decreases, the level of literacy decreases and the social standing becomes marked.  So when a middle class, educated, litterate priest or census enumerator asks a question of a poor Irish country man barely living in a strange industrial town the answer will be documented on their perception of what they have heard and a desire to move on.  Remember also that at the time there was racial discrimination against the Irish.
A point worth mentioning is that I, after 140 years, would have been the person checking the entry for accuracy.
I have found that in nearly every case a Corbett in Durham is a relative of mine.
I bet you wished that you had not asked.
Gordon


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Steven
I know about the Greathead site.
Again it is all my stuff.
My wife's family provided the photos, information and we sent everything we had on Tunleys and Gabriels, to the person researching Greatheads, after contact was made, like us.  I believe that sharing can generate  results, however I thought that discretion and respect for the source would be used.
Unfortunately everything, including data on living people down to my children was published.  This angered a lot of people.
Thanks anyway.
I hope your search in Liverpool brings to light something tangible.
Have a good weekend
Gordon

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Steven
I have picked up your messages and will answer them individually, to minimise my confusion.
In the 1851 Census for Durham the family name is written as CUBIT
Durham City, St Nicholas parish, Enumeration District 4b, folio 65, Claypath.
I will send you a scanned image, it was one of the first copies I got, and it is of the 1851 census, so it is poor.  I have gone over the name to clarify it.
Your aside about Jane Gabriel is intriguing, can you send me the link as we have not been able to source anything.
Gordon

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Steven
I can vouch for the authenticity.  I posted it.
Patrick and Jane Corbett nee Connor came to Durham City and were recorded in the 1851 Census with their 1 year old daughter Bridget.
Their place of birth was recorded as "Ireland".  It was a considerate enumerator who mentioned "Clare, Ireland" in the 1881 census when they were in Leeds.
Bridget had sisters Margaret, Mary, Jane and brothers Michael, John, James, Patrick and another Patrick.  9 siblings in total.  Jane, my great grandmother was the 5th child, born in 1860.  My grandfather was illegitimate and his mother kept secret the identity of the father.
Bridget, being the first born, may have family heirlooms, knowledge of her birthplace, photos etc.
I have 2 poor photos of my grandfather, when he was old ( he died in 1942 aged 45) and a copy of a family shot showing Margaret, Bridget's younger sister.
I have been in contact with a lady, her husband is descended from Williams 3rd marriage.
Her reply to me is worth sending to you, in full
"Before I go on I had better say that my husband is not a direct descendant of Bridget as William Wileman married more than once, but I can give you a few more details about her and William's children.
I have been researching my own family tree for years but it is only recently that I have tentatively started on my husband's line, and I am afraid that most of it has been discovered via the internet or family stories.
William Wileman was born in Hull but I think that he was a bit of a wheeler dealer and travelled around a lot.I don't know where he met Bridget, but they had a daughter,Susanna who was baptised at Portsmouth on29.11.1868 before getting married in Durham in the latter part on 1869!
They then had a son William in Birmingham c.1870, Charlotte in Manchester 1873, Robert back in Durham 1875 died in Liverpool 1884.Maurice in Sheffield 1878,John in Leeds 1881,( Probably more children between 1882-1889)Eliza c1890 in Liverpool. James c1894 Liverpool and Margaret c1896 Liverpool.
Once William and Bridget settled in Liverpool, William became a lodging House Keeper and Fly paper maker!
Bridget's death is registered in the September Quarter 1897 aged 49. I have not obtained her death certificate but have been told by my father in law that she must have had some sort of breakdown as the story goes that she set fire to herself in the street!I have no idea whether this is true or not and I keep on promising myself that I will get the certificate one day.
William didn't grieve too long for Bridget, as he married my husband's great grandmother, Sarah Ann Bryant nee O'Brien on 24.5.1898. She was from Pembroke and for some reason, went back to Wales to the Cardiff Union Workhouse to have my husband's grandfather,Ernest ,in1899.She was back in Liverpool by the 1901 census
.William died in 1902. Again, I haven't the certificate, but the family story is that he was returning to the docks from Ireland with a Blue Kerry Dog for Ernest. Unfortunately, the dog jumped into the water and William jumped in after him and was crushed by the boat. Again,I have no idea if that is true or not.
After his father's death, Ernest went back to Wales where my father in law was born. He  moved to Portsmouth (Little knowing that his half aunt had been born there) and my husband was born and raised there."
I have requested Clare Heritage Centre to carry out some research for me and Liverpool Registry for Bridget and William's death certificates.
When I have this info I will inform you.
I am intrigued by your mention of family in Liverpool.  My wife's ancestor sang in the Music Halls of Liverpool as the Liverpool Nightingale (Jane Gabriel) however we have not found any record of this.
I think that we have a lot of information to share and I have given you a lot to read.

Gordon


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Steven
I posted the request about Bridget Wileman.
She was the last member of my Corbett family, that I know of, to be born in Ireland.  I found the Clare reference and am tracking her Wileman family to try and find out more about her.
I have her on the 1891 census and a reference to her death in 1897 in Liverpool..
I heard, from another Wileman family member, that she was killed in a fire (suicide) in Liverpool and William may have been killed in an accident in the port.
I have to research at a distance (Northumberland) and am about to order their death certificates.
I expect that their deaths would have been in the local paper, been subject to a Coroners Inquest and the would have been buried locally.
Can you help?

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