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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Saturday 30 July 22 02:32 BST (UK)  »
Correction:
The author misidentified in my last as "Maclean-Sinclair" is Nicholas Maclean-Bristol. Apologies.

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Saturday 30 July 22 02:25 BST (UK)  »
Reply to Diamond Sue:

Forgive the long delay in responding to this. The only John Maclean who would qualify as an Auchnasaul Maclean of whom I am aware is John, son of Hector, 2nd laird of Auchnasaul. Maclean-Sinclair identifies him as "John Og in Auchnasaul -Mull" (From Clan to Regiment, p. 710) and indicates he is referred to in documents (unidentified) dated 1661 and 1692 (Table 7). He may be one of the descendants of Hector who Sinclair states went to Ireland (p. 397). I am working on the theory that he was the John McLean who was in Antrim as of 1709 and  was a member of the Antrim Presbyterian congregation - my 7x great grandfather.

Although Sinclair identifies Hector's brother Donald and his issue as the Macleans of Auchnasaul, they descended from them and lived on Gunna, Coll and Rum. (The Auchnasaul Macleans were limited to Allan, Hector and Donald (Hector'sson), 1st, 2nd and 3rd lairds respectively. Donald drowned in 1687 and the cadet expired.) Since Sinclair treats Hector's brother Donald and his issue as the Macleans of Auchnasaul, he may be referring to Donald's grandson John as the "John Maclean of Auchnasaul" who married Una. That John served under Lachlan Maclean of Coll in the Scots Brigade in the 1680s. (Clan, p. 201).

Hope this helps, sue.
Douglas McLean

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Antrim / Re: Macleans of Coll Who Went to Ulster
« on: Thursday 03 February 22 07:47 GMT (UK)  »
Reply to Elwyn -

Thanks so much for your interesting comments. Yes, before "borders" ruled the world, it was the wind, the currents and where one could find sustenance that determined who went where and when. I understand quite a few "professional soldiers" (we call them mercenaries) also made the crossing from time to time. And of course many Macdonalds of the Hebrides made the coast of Antrim home.

Douglas

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Antrim / Re: Macleans of Coll Who Went to Ulster
« on: Wednesday 02 February 22 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks guys for comments.

As to use of "emigrate" vs. "migrate", I have wavered between the two as to relocation between Scotland and Ulster.  My thinking is northern Ireland (basically Ulster) was not yet partitioned from Ireland as "Northern Ireland" in the late 17th century, and notwithstnding much British settlement in northern Ireland then all Ireland was a distinct country from England and Scotland. I would agree that relocation between Ulster and anywhere in Great Britain today is "migration". As I am woefully ignorant of Irish-Anglo history, I would welcome clarification on this. (And hope I'm not opening a can of worms!)

Sill seeking information re. any Coll Macleans "going to" Ulster in the late 17th century.

Cheers,
Douglas

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Antrim / Re: Macleans of Coll Who Went to Ulster
« on: Tuesday 01 February 22 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Greetings Shanreagh,

Thanks for joining in. Here are my replies:

"You mention he was born c 1690 and then came to Antrim from 1700 to 1715 so from age 10 to age 25.  Did he marry in Antrim?  What happened to him after 1715?"

John McLean, my 6x gt.grandfather, came to Antrim town when young with his family circa 1700. He is almost certainly the John McLean who married Jean Kempton  there in 1709 and had two children baptized there in 1716 and 1721. (Antrim Presbyterian congregation marriage and birth registers.) He did not return to Scotland. He emigrated to the Pennsylvania colony in 1721 or 1722 with members of his wife's family (Dunlops and Moores).

"In Scottish naming patterns how does he fit in with the Rev John Mclean you mention?  Do you suspect he may be a son?  or a relation?"

He is likely a first cousin of Rev. John McLean, minister in the Antrim C.I. Church. Rev. McLean was a son of Lachlan, 3rd of Grishipol. My John may have been the son of John McLean, brother of Lachlan. Lachlan's brothers John and Hugh went to "Ireland" in the late 17th century. I know nothing about them. I have discovered a possible link in the 1740 Protestant Householders Returns: one Hugh McLeane living in Kilowen Parish, Co. Londonderry. A son of emigrating Hugh?

I seek any information on any Macleans of Coll, especially of the Cadets of Grishipol and Auchnasaul, or any Maclean living in Quinish in northern Mull,who went to Ulster in the late 17th century.

Regards,
Douglas McLean


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Antrim / Re: Macleans of Coll Who Went to Ulster
« on: Monday 31 January 22 18:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hello McClean,

It doesn't appear your Hugh and Hugh, brother or Lachlan, 3rd of Grishapol, are the same - different generations and although I don't know where Banbridge is, it isn't on Coll. I go back to my 6x gt. grandfather John McLean by family tradition, and for 47 years have been working on how he ties in to the clan. A good bet is through Macleans of the Auchnasaul or Grishipol cadets of Coll who went to Ulster.

Regards,
Douglas

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Sunday 30 January 22 02:58 GMT (UK)  »
Welcome back, Diamond Sue,

Thanks  for all this. Very helpful. I didn't know about the 2005 reprint of Clan Gillean with Sinclair's annotations and will order it. I've been using an earlier edition.

First, to answer your question regarding the confusion regarding the parentage of Rev. John McLean (brother or son of Lachlan, 3rd of Grishipol?) the clarification I can provide is involved and set forth in detail in a 40 page research document I've prepared on the Macleans of Auchnasaul and Grishipol which I would be happy to send as a PDF attachment to an e-mail. In short, the Ardgour MS (c. 1783, printed 1872) correctly stated he was the son of Lachlan, the position taken by Maclean-Bristol in From Clan to Regiment (Table 8). Seneachie (1838) using (often verbatim) Ardgour confused the lineage by inserting a brief comment on Charles the cattle drover in the wrong place in his draft. MacLean (1889) and Sinclair (1899) understandably misconstrued Seneachie and made Rev. McLean Lachlan's brother. Most subsequent historians relying on the latter two more recent and "most authoritative" clan histories perpetuate the error. I'm not sure what this forum allows regarding contact information, but if you can provide your e-mail address by some confidential means I would be happy to send the note.

As to Charles the cattle drover's wife, since Sinclair does not identify "Mary" as one of the six daughters of Neil of Drimnacross in his discussion of that family, I suspect his earlier annotation giving her as Charles' wife is a slip of the tongue and he is correct in identifying her in the later annotation as Janet.

My primary research interest at this time is in the Macleans of Auchnasaul and Grishipol who went to northern Ireland in the late 17th century. The research note I refer to above contains all I have discovered to date on these two Coll cadets, but little is known about their family members who went to Ulster, other than Rev. John McLean from the Grishipol family. The clan histories referred to above mention descendants of Ranald, son of Allan, 1st of Auchnasaul, and of John and Hugh, sons of John, 2nd of Grishipol, settling in Ireland. Would you take a look at Sinclair's annotations to see if he adds anything about the Auchnasauls and Grishipols who went to Ireland?

Kind regards,
Douglas McLean

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Argyllshire / MacLeans of Grishipol (Coll) and the Grishipol Estate
« on: Sunday 04 April 21 20:16 BST (UK)  »
Greetings,

I would be most interested in hearing from anyone with information about the MacLean and related families who lived on the Grishipol estate during the late 17th and early 18th centuries. Also anyone with information about the estate itself, a 1000 acre farm on the north shore of Coll. I can also share quite a bit of information on Grishipol and the MacLeans who lived there.

Specifically, I seek information about John MacLean, first laird of Grishipol, and Finvola MacKinnon; John MacLean, 2nd of Grishipol, and Margaret MacLean (nee MacLean) and Lachlan MacLean,3rd of Grishipol, and Ann MacLean (nee MacLean). Lachlan became a merchant in Dumbarton, was admitted a burgess there in 1699 and was a joint bailee for Argyll on Tiree until 1675. The 19th century clan histories provide little information about them and Rev. John McLean (second son of Lachlan who went to Antrim in 1689) and nothing about other members of their families. Maclean-Bristol provides a fair amount of information on them and "the second MacLeans" at Grishipol (c.1695 to c.1725). Two other Grishipol MacLeans in addition to Rev. McLean emigrated to Ulster in the late 17th century. (From Clan to Regiment, Table 8) James MacLean provides a good amount of information on Rev. John McLean in Reward is Secondary. Given Lachlan's ties to Dumbarton, I am also interested in information on MacLeans in that burgh from circa 1650 to 1730 and can share some information on them obtained from the OPR. Please see also my recent post seeking information on Coll MacLeans emigrating to Ulster.

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Argyllshire / Re: Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 20:10 GMT (UK)  »
A Request For Bagpipe

You wrote several months ago:

    "Do you know anything about Rev John's siblings? I have seen a family tree showing quite a number."

Can you be more specific about the "family tree"? The genealogies of which I am aware pertaining to Rev. John McLean (b. 1652) are the 19th century MacLean clan histories, From Clan to Regiment and, most comprehensive, Reward Is Secondary.

Douglas McLean

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