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Just a wee note, the # should actually be ₶, lt with the line from the t crossing the l, as it stands for livres tournois. Further divided into sous (or sols) and deniers. Takes me back to when I was younger and we still had the duodecimal system of £sd.

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Europe / Re: French marriage contract 1618
« on: Thursday 18 September 25 10:43 BST (UK)  »
Thanks :) @Zefiro !

Couldn't make my mind up whether it was lisle or liste. Changed boucheries to butchers' as to my mind butcheries sounded weird! In English, une boucherie =  a butcher's (shop). Always value your corrections, knowledge and wisdom!

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Europe / Re: French marriage contract 1618
« on: Tuesday 16 September 25 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Thanks :) @Zefiro !

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Europe / Re: French marriage contract 1618
« on: Tuesday 16 September 25 18:03 BST (UK)  »
Struggled with some of the abbreviations and vocabulary, eg messere. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Here's my attempt at a transliteration and translation (Happy for others to tidy up or rectify any errors):

Apport du mariant : une maison amazée de chambre, grenier et aultres comodités, situé à Montreuil, place du Dernestal, aux Boucheries communes de l’isle de Marand Quibeuf et d’aultre audit Jolly ; tenue fonction des mayeurs et cochevins par 2 sous tournois, et de l’Hostel Dieu St Nicolas par 8 livres tournois de rente remboursable de la mariante : de la succession de son père, 300 livres ; une massere et jardin à Questinguen, contenant 5mes, tenant au r dudit Questinguen, Robeau Miellet ; des rents sur divers particuliers à Boullogne, Wimille, St Martin etc, Les dits Guérard Le Viel et du Camp fourniront par chacun aux mariants, au jour de St André, un septier de bled de muison, durant la vie dudit Guérard seulement.

Not sure of tenant au r, r = rente, résidence or something else?
Place du Dernestal =  modern day Place Darnétal?
There is place called Marant near to Montreuil.
Hostel-Dieu = hospital run by the church
Septier: An old unit of dry measure used in France, varying by region but often equivalent to roughly 240 litres or about 200 kilograms of grain.


Contribution of the bridegroom:
A house comprising a furnished room, attic, and other conveniences, located in Montreuil, at Dernestal Square, near the communal butchers of the Isle of Marand Quibeuf and others, belonging to the said Jolly; held under the authority of the mayors and aldermen for a rent of 2 sous tournois, and to the Hôtel-Dieu Saint Nicolas for an annual redeemable rent of 8 livres tournois, to be reimbursed by the bride.

From her father's estate, the bride brings a dowry of 300 livres; a farmhouse and garden at Questinguen, comprising 5 mesures (units of land), adjoining the land of the said Questinguen and Robeau Miellet; and rents from various individuals in Boulogne, Wimille, Saint-Martin, etc.

The said Guérard Le Viel and du Camp shall provide to the married couple, annually on the feast of Saint Andrew, one septier (a measure) of household wheat, for the duration of Guérard’s life only.




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Europe / Re: French marriage contract 1618
« on: Monday 15 September 25 09:15 BST (UK)  »
Could it be une maison amagé? Possibly meaning une maison aménagée - a furnished house?

If no one else has had a shot at translating, I'll have a look this evening, when I'm home from work. It does look like a z though rather than a g.

Haven't found amazé in any Picard or ch'ti lexicons.

Possibly begins: Contribution of the spouse: a house furnished with a bedroom, cellar, attic, and other amenities.

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Europe / Re: Belgian Records
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 19:04 BST (UK)  »
TreeSpirit

Thanks again… I didn't see that. Really appreciate it!

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Europe / Re: Belgian Records
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 18:38 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much, TreeSpirit!

Where did you find all that extra info? Intriguing!

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Europe / Belgian Records
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 13:46 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking into my partner's family and am having trouble with this one:

Germaine Rose SCHENDORFF (sometimes Germaine Rosa SCHOENDORFF).

She was born on 16 June 1892, Paris 6e, France.

I have found her in the Police Immigration Index for Antwerp, Belgium (1901-1915) and can then find no trace of her in Belgium or France.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JST2-J3Y?lang=en

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tzp/

Birth: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tzq/
p 24/31 Acte 2087

It's very probably too recent to find any other info, but just in case anyone has any knowledge of Belgian records and where to look. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.





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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: what could this word mean in today's English
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 10:43 BST (UK)  »
This is what  MS Copilot suggests:

"So that my said sons, William and John, do not exceed the term of forty-eight years following the date of this my last will and testament."

🕰️ This kind of phrasing was common in historical legal documents, especially wills. It’s essentially setting a time limit—likely for holding property, rights, or responsibilities—starting from the date the will was written.

This may well be total tosh, but agrees with your initial thoughts!

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