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Canada / Re: David LIttle
« on: Thursday 11 March 21 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for your help. That certainly closes that search.
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Canada / Re: David LIttle
« on: Wednesday 10 March 21 15:44 GMT (UK) »
hi yes she married Sameul Gilbert in Larne Antrim her name was Elizabeth Armstrong Little
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Canada / Re: David LIttle
« on: Sunday 07 March 21 20:05 GMT (UK) »my dear "dbree" you are fantastic thank you so much
i believe that his visits co inside with deaths in the family so its all making sense .
may i tax you further is there a way for me from the uk to see if he ever married or if he died there (hopefully not alone ) could there be a will .......... a point in the right direction would be fantastic
but for everything youve given me a huge thank you from myself a 1/3 cousin in oz and a happy lady in the USA
best regards Adrian
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Canada / Re: David LIttle
« on: Saturday 06 March 21 23:58 GMT (UK) »
I have all his Scottish details. Mother. And born illegitimate And census info.living with his uncle. As his mother died 1900 I even have his service papers from the Second World War.
I have nothing after 1920. Thank you.
I have nothing after 1920. Thank you.
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Canada / David LIttle
« on: Saturday 06 March 21 23:10 GMT (UK) »David Little
single male Scottish born Canonbie Dumfriesshire Scotland
form 30A states on own account with £20 reads english there to Harvest never been to Canada before
booked via Canadian Pacific Railway
ship ss Marloch ?? 10 Aug 1923 at the top someone has written 25618
This is all i have I believe he visited England around 1928 or 1930 ish
i cant find anything else if he married there if he lived there if he died there
will be very grateful for any help or pointing in the right direction
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Dumfriesshire / Re: (canonbie)whos the mummy ??? little wilson nixon cunlough cunlos cunliffe murray
« on: Saturday 23 January 21 12:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica
Thank you for your replies .
The trees on ancestry are mine and my 8th cousins. We both did dna. But we don’t match ! On paper we do ! She come from Elizabeth Nixon’s line. I come from Mary Wilson’s son William little ( so they should be half brother and sister)
What we are both puzzled with is who is Elizabeth Nixon 1809 could she be infact her own auntie bettie cunliffe ( this would move us further away as cousins on dna so wouldn’t show a match) the hole in our research is the Robert littles birth entry. As Scotlandpeoples entry is quite clearly someone’s hand written list and not the original parish register. The Kirk sessions with the different surname for Robert littles mother is the original from 1831. Robert little is only on one census 1841 in the same house hold as Elizabeth Nixon but as you pointed out there is no relationships within the household given. He may even just be a boarder by 1851 he’s living with the littles.
What we are trying to find out is who his mother is so that may cast light on who Elizabeth Nixon is.
Problem with Elizabeth Nixon on every census she states she’s from canonbie. But there is no Kirk entry for her or Scotland’s people. If she is infact Mary Wilson/Murray’s first illegitimate child ( which she had 10) there is no Kirk sessions with Mary Wilson ( she’s in front of the Kirk sessions every two or three years with all her other children even the one she says she conceived while out for a walk!!!!!)
Elizabeth cunliffe was born 1807.(illegitimate) To Mary Wilson’s mother Margaret Murray of glebefield. It other than a birth/ baptism entry she disappears.
So does Elizabeth cunliffe ( cunlough) become Elizabeth Nixon
( who we can’t find a birth for )
The Kirk elders would know who these women were so on the Robert littles Kirk sessions they would have a woman the village knew as cunliffe/ cunlough.
Then a few years later they recognise a woman called Elizabeth Nixon at another Kirk sessions.
So is this the same person. Is there a marriage we have missed that would make this woman’s surname change ( if she is the same woman).
Did Robert littles mother die and Mary Wilson and Elizabeth Nixon take him in to feed him ( considering Mary Wilson would have had the possibility of ten of her own children in the house ).
I know it’s all very confusing. And anyone doing Robert littles line will hit this problem too.
1) a Kirk session from 1831 with one name on it
2) a Scotland’s people’s record which clearly is some ones list of names which must have been written well after 1831
3) would there be a canonbie registry from 1831 to show what was entered.?
Thank you for your replies .
The trees on ancestry are mine and my 8th cousins. We both did dna. But we don’t match ! On paper we do ! She come from Elizabeth Nixon’s line. I come from Mary Wilson’s son William little ( so they should be half brother and sister)
What we are both puzzled with is who is Elizabeth Nixon 1809 could she be infact her own auntie bettie cunliffe ( this would move us further away as cousins on dna so wouldn’t show a match) the hole in our research is the Robert littles birth entry. As Scotlandpeoples entry is quite clearly someone’s hand written list and not the original parish register. The Kirk sessions with the different surname for Robert littles mother is the original from 1831. Robert little is only on one census 1841 in the same house hold as Elizabeth Nixon but as you pointed out there is no relationships within the household given. He may even just be a boarder by 1851 he’s living with the littles.
What we are trying to find out is who his mother is so that may cast light on who Elizabeth Nixon is.
Problem with Elizabeth Nixon on every census she states she’s from canonbie. But there is no Kirk entry for her or Scotland’s people. If she is infact Mary Wilson/Murray’s first illegitimate child ( which she had 10) there is no Kirk sessions with Mary Wilson ( she’s in front of the Kirk sessions every two or three years with all her other children even the one she says she conceived while out for a walk!!!!!)
Elizabeth cunliffe was born 1807.(illegitimate) To Mary Wilson’s mother Margaret Murray of glebefield. It other than a birth/ baptism entry she disappears.
So does Elizabeth cunliffe ( cunlough) become Elizabeth Nixon
( who we can’t find a birth for ) The Kirk elders would know who these women were so on the Robert littles Kirk sessions they would have a woman the village knew as cunliffe/ cunlough.
Then a few years later they recognise a woman called Elizabeth Nixon at another Kirk sessions.
So is this the same person. Is there a marriage we have missed that would make this woman’s surname change ( if she is the same woman).
Did Robert littles mother die and Mary Wilson and Elizabeth Nixon take him in to feed him ( considering Mary Wilson would have had the possibility of ten of her own children in the house ).
I know it’s all very confusing. And anyone doing Robert littles line will hit this problem too.
1) a Kirk session from 1831 with one name on it
2) a Scotland’s people’s record which clearly is some ones list of names which must have been written well after 1831
3) would there be a canonbie registry from 1831 to show what was entered.
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Dumfriesshire / (canonbie)whos the mummy ??? little wilson nixon cunlough cunlos cunliffe murray
« on: Thursday 21 January 21 20:17 GMT (UK) »
whos the mummy little wilson nixon cunlough cunlos cunliffe murray
really struggling to get who the mother is or if infact she isnt two women but one
Robert Little born canonbie born 21/3/1831 (census 1861 blacksmith)
on scotlands people there is a record (looks like a list that someones made later than the date of event as others do)
little .... robert son of robert little + elizabeth Nixon born 21 march 1831
(doesnt say hes illegitimate which he is or the listings below of possible siblings again all illegitimate)
on scottish indexes there is a kirk session listed as
elisabeth cunlough with Robert Little 1831
the transcript Page 353
Canonbie Kirk 10th July 1831 P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Minister & Elders
Elisabeth Cunlough’s Confession
Compeared Elisabeth Cunlough, who being solemnly exhorted to be ingenuous and
interrogated deposes that Robert Little Blacksmith Priorhill is the father of a Child
which she brought forth on the 21st March last. She was exhorted and dismissed.
Canonbie Kirk 7th August 1831 P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Minister & Elders
Robert Little’s Confession
A Line of Acknowledgement was received from Robert Little that he is the father of
Elisabeth Cunloughs Child.
so with this im drawn more to the kirk session which is from the time rather than the scotlands people which seems to be from a much later date
problem
i cant find a birth for elizabeth NIXON i can find her on every census and on her death cert she has mother as mary wilson . on every census she states born canonbie and working on age is either 1808 or 1809
eliasabeth conlough or cunliffe or cunlos the only thing close to this is a record on scotlands people and a kirk sessions listing of
1806
Canonby Kirk, Dec[embe]r 14th
Marg[are]t Murray Sum[mo]n[e]d
E[odem] D[ie] The Off[ice]r was appointed to Sum[mo]n Marg[are]t Murray in
Glebefield, before the Sess[ion] nixt Lords day, upon a flagrant report, that she was far
advanced in pregnancy. Closed with prayer.
Canonby Kirk, Dec[embe]r 28th P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Mins[te]r & Elders.
The Off[ice]r reported that he had Sum[mone]d Marg[are]t Murray, who being
call[e]d, compeared not, the off[ice]r was appointed to Sum[mo]n her pro 2do nixt
Lords day.
Canonby Manse Jan[ua]ry 4th [1807] P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Mins[te]r & Elders.
Marg[are]t Murrays Confession
Compeared Marg[are]t Murray, who Accused David Cunlos now residing at Clayton in
Lancashire as the Father of her child, being farther Interrogated, said that she had
made her case known to him, & that she had 2 Letters from him of his acquiescence of
her charge, she was Sum[mo]n[e]d apud acta to the Presbitry.
but after this there is no further trace for this person until robert little turnes up
this is where it gets complicated
margaret murray mother of elisabeth cunlos (cunliffe or cunlough) is also the mother of Mary Wilson
mother of elizabeth nixon (but no birth record)
so my reconing is
is it possable that elisabeth cunlough is elizabeth nixon and not her niece as in my tree
if so why other than marriage (which i cant find) would or could a woman change her surname
1831 birth robert little illegitimate (elisabeth Cunlough )
1838 birth david farish illegitimate (elizabeth nixon)
is there any other way to see the page for 1831 canonbie other than scotlands people ( the original entry that someones made the list from )
little wilson nixon cunlough cunlos cunliffe murrayreally struggling to get who the mother is or if infact she isnt two women but one
Robert Little born canonbie born 21/3/1831 (census 1861 blacksmith)
on scotlands people there is a record (looks like a list that someones made later than the date of event as others do)
little .... robert son of robert little + elizabeth Nixon born 21 march 1831
(doesnt say hes illegitimate which he is or the listings below of possible siblings again all illegitimate)
on scottish indexes there is a kirk session listed as
elisabeth cunlough with Robert Little 1831
the transcript Page 353
Canonbie Kirk 10th July 1831 P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Minister & Elders
Elisabeth Cunlough’s Confession
Compeared Elisabeth Cunlough, who being solemnly exhorted to be ingenuous and
interrogated deposes that Robert Little Blacksmith Priorhill is the father of a Child
which she brought forth on the 21st March last. She was exhorted and dismissed.
Canonbie Kirk 7th August 1831 P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Minister & Elders
Robert Little’s Confession
A Line of Acknowledgement was received from Robert Little that he is the father of
Elisabeth Cunloughs Child.
so with this im drawn more to the kirk session which is from the time rather than the scotlands people which seems to be from a much later date
problem
i cant find a birth for elizabeth NIXON i can find her on every census and on her death cert she has mother as mary wilson . on every census she states born canonbie and working on age is either 1808 or 1809
eliasabeth conlough or cunliffe or cunlos the only thing close to this is a record on scotlands people and a kirk sessions listing of
1806
Canonby Kirk, Dec[embe]r 14th
Marg[are]t Murray Sum[mo]n[e]d
E[odem] D[ie] The Off[ice]r was appointed to Sum[mo]n Marg[are]t Murray in
Glebefield, before the Sess[ion] nixt Lords day, upon a flagrant report, that she was far
advanced in pregnancy. Closed with prayer.
Canonby Kirk, Dec[embe]r 28th P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Mins[te]r & Elders.
The Off[ice]r reported that he had Sum[mone]d Marg[are]t Murray, who being
call[e]d, compeared not, the off[ice]r was appointed to Sum[mo]n her pro 2do nixt
Lords day.
Canonby Manse Jan[ua]ry 4th [1807] P[ost] P[reces] Sed[erun]t Mins[te]r & Elders.
Marg[are]t Murrays Confession
Compeared Marg[are]t Murray, who Accused David Cunlos now residing at Clayton in
Lancashire as the Father of her child, being farther Interrogated, said that she had
made her case known to him, & that she had 2 Letters from him of his acquiescence of
her charge, she was Sum[mo]n[e]d apud acta to the Presbitry.
but after this there is no further trace for this person until robert little turnes up
this is where it gets complicated
margaret murray mother of elisabeth cunlos (cunliffe or cunlough) is also the mother of Mary Wilson
mother of elizabeth nixon (but no birth record)
so my reconing is
is it possable that elisabeth cunlough is elizabeth nixon and not her niece as in my tree
if so why other than marriage (which i cant find) would or could a woman change her surname
1831 birth robert little illegitimate (elisabeth Cunlough )
1838 birth david farish illegitimate (elizabeth nixon)
is there any other way to see the page for 1831 canonbie other than scotlands people ( the original entry that someones made the list from )
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