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The Common Room / Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« on: Friday 04 July 25 12:23 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much hanes teulu and ShaunJ for finding and sharing those! That really does settle it pretty definitively, I wasn't expecting it to be solved so quickly. That's a fantastic piece of information that shows although he tragically died at just 30 years old he made a real difference in his community; I'm sure they were devastated by his early death.

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The Common Room / Re: William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« on: Friday 04 July 25 12:18 BST (UK)  »
I think you may have the incorrect parents for Catherine.

Catherine Hague Davey Sloggett reg. 1863 Camelford mother's maiden name Davey

This is the sister to William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
She is also seen in the census as Catherine Hague Billing Sloggett



Catherine Hague Sloggett  reg. 1876 Redruth mother's maiden name Angrove

This is the daughter of William Billing Sloggett b 1850 St Austell
So she carries names of a couple of generations back.  Possibly ALL middle names included on the marriage just for detail to be preserved.

Yes this is correct, and I think you are right that they put all the names in on the marriage certificate to preserve them. I am constantly impressed by how far back maiden names were remembered and included for posterity in this period; I think far fewer people today outside of those interested in genealogy would have the same level of knowledge. In the same vein, you don't see maiden names as middle names much anymore, and the two are quite possibly connected.

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The Common Room / William Billing Sloggett the Miner/Oculist?
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 23:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I am not really sure where to post this as it's a bit of a weird one, hence posting it in the Common Room. It is a bit long-winded to explain but it really is bizarre so please stick with me if you can!

 My ancestor William Billing Sloggett (born 13 July 1850, St. Austell, Cornwall, England bapt. 4 August 1850, married Ellen Angove 13 November 1875 at Redruth, Cornwall, occupation 'Tin Miner' while for the first census at working age in 1871 he is stated a 'Mine Labourer'. His death certificate (died 2 May 1880, Camborne, Cornwall) again states him as a 'Mine Labourer'. All of this fits, as his own father was a Labourer and it was a thoroughly working-class family.

His eldest daughter, Catherine Hague Sloggett (born 29 December 1875, Illogan, Cornwall) married William John Winn of Helston, Cornwall on 7 July 1894 at the Register Office in Helston, and this is where it gets confusing; I have a copy of the marriage certificate where someone in the office filled in the columns themselves after the certificate had been ordered, and and a more recent order of the same certificate where this time it is a scan of the original. I ordered the same certificate again as the first one was seemingly almost laughably wrong on Catherine's side. But looking at the scan of the actual original it does say exactly what the person who wrote up their own one put. They say the same and both are so wrong: Catherine's name is given as Catherine Heage Billin David Clockett. 'Heage' is obviously Hague, her actual middle name, while 'Billin' must be in reference to her father William Billing Sloggett, who in turn is in reference to his grandmother, Priscilla Billing. Similarly,  'David' must be in reference to her grandmother Catherine Hague Davey. Yet neither of these were ever recorded as part of her name anywhere else, including her birth certificate. She was just Catherine Hague Sloggett.

But the bigger issue is on the marriage certificate her father is not stated as the William Billing Sloggett aforementioned; rather, a 'William Henry Clockett'. The 'Clockett' can be excused as someone mishearing the unusual name Sloggett, but he was never called William Henry anything, and it does not sound remotely like Billing either. Even more bizarre is this 'William Henry Clockett's occupation is given as an Oculist (!) Now we really are miles off the actual father William Billing Sloggett the Mine Labourer. How on earth can it be so wrong?

The final twist is for years I have thought this Oculist detail was just plain wrong and that there couldn't be any truth behind it. There still isn't really, but I have found something which gives it a tiny bit of explanation. I found a newspaper entry after his death (as aforementioned died 2 May 1880) from The Cornishman on 13 May 1880 announcing his death which reads "SLOGGETT - May 2nd, at North-road, Camborne, Mr. William Sloggett, a married man, aged 30. - One who (it is testified to by a good many) has done a great deal of good to sight-injured miners".

Which creates a bizarre connection between the two worlds of Miner and Oculist. So in light of all this conflicting evidence, three questions arise:
- Why/how was the marriage certificate so wrong on Catherine's side, conflicting with the other records on pretty much every detail?
- Given the overwhelming evidence William Billing Sloggett was a Miner and not an Oculist, how on earth was he able to do "a great deal of good to sight-injured miners"?
- Related to the last one, if he actually was an Oculist of some sort/had some skill in that area, why was he a Miner by trade? Surely much harder work, a lot less pay, far more dangerous etc.

Thank you for reading and I would be very grateful for any suggestions to any of these mysteries!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Thursday 03 July 25 00:51 BST (UK)  »
Ah interesting - it must be that then! However much you try and make it say something else the word definitely begins des not dep, and especially with your explanation, 'despret' makes complete sense. I am very grateful as always  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Wednesday 02 July 25 23:40 BST (UK)  »

In the next item:  ...Time of her death despret & others

Not sure of this one.  despret may be desperate?


Though it is a bit of a stretch as there aren't enough letters, is there any chance 'despret' says 'dependents' ('& others)'. Would make sense in the context maybe?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Monday 30 June 25 02:14 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your research!! I never would have worked that out on my own, and such a detail really helps bring her to life a bit

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Saturday 28 June 25 23:14 BST (UK)  »
'kitell' will be kettle.  :)

From the V & A website. Circa 1700

Thank you for finding that! I don't suppose you have any ideas about the "Gerell"/"Herell" at the start of the list by any chance?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Friday 27 June 25 21:17 BST (UK)  »
Here are most of the issues.  A couple of uncertainties remain.
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...Cornwall Latle decesd seen taken and

Apprised by us whose nams ar here...


Latle = Lately


Item her Porse [Gerell?/herell?] and wearing...

Item A Chest & 2 bockes          [probably = books]

Item one Litell Kone & 2 [farkins = firkins?]

In the next item:  ...one Tabel bord...

Item one bras Kitell one puter...

In the next item:  ...Time of her death despret & others

Not sure of this one.  despret may be desperate?


Lastly:  ...not sin not prised             [ie appraised]

Thank you for your prompt response. It definitely is "Porse" and not house, I was mistakenly guided by what would make sense instead of what was on the page...

The same as you I read the line further down (11th in the list) as "bras(s) Kitell", but then what on earth is a Kitell?! Google says a Kittel is a type of Jewish, male clothing, so that's definitely not right for whatever this word is   ??? All I can think of is kettle, but did they even use that word for their equivalent of a modern one back then?

Still, that is nearly all of it solved nonetheless, thanks again!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will of Dorothy Sloggett 1705
« on: Friday 27 June 25 19:37 BST (UK)  »
Having more time this morning I followed up an instinct regarding this recordset - there is a full inventory for Dorothy in the images following your will.

Her records run from image 377 to 380.

The total of the inventory is 22 pounds and 16 shillings, so she was comfortable for her place and time.


Could I check a few words on the inventory please? I promise it will be "case closed" so to speak after this, thank you! Again anything I'm unsure of has been identified with a question mark.

Inventory link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FC9-MBP?view=fullText&keywords=Sloggett%2Cwill%20and%20Testament%2Cand&lang=en&groupId=

"A true and perfect inventory of all the goods of Dorothy Sloggett of the Parish of Lanteglos within the County of Cornwall ? ? soon ? and Appraised? by us whose names ar (are) here subscribed that is to say Thomas Sloggett and William Porter the 12th of April 1706

Item her house ? and wearing apparel
Item one Cowe (cow) and one Heifer
Item four Ewes and Lambs
Item one Pigge (pig)
Item two Bras(s) pots & one iron pot
Item two litoll (little) bras(s) pans & 2 skellits (skillets)
Item 9 Litoll putor Dishes (little pewter dishes)
Item one Dust bead (bed?)
Item a Chest & 2 ?
Item one Litoll (little) ? & 2 ?
Item A Cobord (cupboard) one Tabel (table) and 2 Litoll side Tabell (2 little side tables)
Item one Grey ? one putor Candell stick (pewter candlestick)
Item all her Debts owing to her att (at) the Time of her Death ? ?
Item other things not sin (seen?) not proved(?)

Sume Totall (sum total) 22-06-00"

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