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Aberdeenshire / Re: Hay family, weavers in Strichen and Aberdeen circa 1830s
« on: Tuesday 17 August 21 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Margaret Hay who I believe died between 1841 and 1851.

Margaret is on the 1841/1851 census.

 
MARGARET HAY age 60  likely death 10/06/1753 Strichen. (On SP)

Colin

Like you, I assumed that this was the Margaret Hay the OP was referring to - but, through the powers of deduction  ;) - I think we’re actually looking for Margaret MacGillvray (ms Hay), who married James MacGillvray in 1833 in Aberdeen.

Here are the two children referred to in King Edward in 1851:

1851 Crudie Farm
John Mackie, head, 32, Farmer, King Edward
Mary Mackie, wife, 36, King Edward
Janet Mackie, daughter, 5, King Edward
John Mackie, son, 2, King Edward
William Hutcheon, visitor, 34, Farmer, King Edward
Jane Anderson, servant,  17, Gamrie, Banffshire
Ann Hay, servant 14, Monquhitter
James McGillvray, servant, 13, Aberdeen

1851 Cook
John Hay, head, 45, Linen Weaver, Monquhitter
Isobel Hay, wife, 41, Monquhitter
Janet Hay, daughter, 16, Monquhitter
Catherine Hay, daughter, 8, King Edward
Christian Roger, mother in law, 69, Monquhitter
Helen Panton, niece, 22, Monquhitter
John McGillivray, cousin, 7, Aberdeen

I think this may be Margaret McGillvray (ms Hay) and James in 1841:

1841 Flour Mill Brae, Aberdeen
Margaret McGillivray, 25, Shoe Binder, Aberdeenshire
James McGillivray, 3, Aberdeenshire

Ruth

Hi Ruth,

Yep, you've got it.  I linked to my previous post on the family above.  You'll see in that post than in addition to the Margaret McGillivray on the census that year, there's a Margaret Hay with a 3 year old James McGillivray, also a shoebinder and also living in Aberdeen.  I suspect one is Margaret giving the information while they're staying somewhere else in the city, and the other is a neighbour giving the information as to who normally lived at an address.

I'm trying to narrow down the Hay families associated with the two young sons, in order to narrow down Margaret's parents and try and find when she died.  As you can see I'm not having much success.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Hay family, weavers in Strichen and Aberdeen circa 1830s
« on: Tuesday 17 August 21 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Margaret Hay who I believe died between 1841 and 1851.

Margaret is on the 1841/1851 census.

 
MARGARET HAY age 60  likely death 10/06/1753 Strichen. (On SP)

Colin

Hi Colin.  This is definitely a different Margaret Hay, as the one I'm looking for was married in 1833 and had two sons c. 1837 and 1844.  She is the same woman referenced in this post.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Hay family, weavers in Strichen and Aberdeen circa 1830s
« on: Monday 16 August 21 12:05 BST (UK)  »
Only two families in Strichen, one was an Army Pensioner the other no idea as he died pre 1841.

In Aberdeen (county) far too many without having more information (ie names) 368 recorded Marriages between 1800-1830

Don

Sorry, should've been more clear.  Was looking for people who already have these families researched that may be able to shed some light on who is related to who.  I believe the Chelsea Pensioner may be of interest, but I'm not sure, trying to track down records for him at the moment.

Basically I have a Margaret Hay who I believe died between 1841 and 1851, as her children then end up in other families.  One son is living with a John Hay and his wife Isobel (nee Roger), listed as a cousin.  The other is a servant in a household where the other servant is a girl of similar age called Ann Hay, daughter of William Hay and wife Helen (nee Kidd). 

According to her marriage certificate, Margaret Hay's father was a weaver in Strichen called James Hay.  Both men listed above were weavers, living nearby to Strichen.  I can't find a father for William, and James father was called John Hay. 

I suspect Margaret is either sister or cousin to William, and cousin to John.  But I'm hoping by narrowing down these Hay families I can zero in on who Margaret was since the only documentation of her I can find is a marriage certificate and an 1841 census that gives me very little info.

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Aberdeenshire / Hay family, weavers in Strichen and Aberdeen circa 1830s
« on: Monday 16 August 21 11:08 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone have connections to a family of the name Hay working as weavers (various) in Aberdeen and Strichen early to mid 1800s?  I've got a kind of brick cylinder here that I'm circling and trying to find a weak point!

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Ross & Cromarty / Re: Detective work required to identify a newspaper
« on: Thursday 12 August 21 10:25 BST (UK)  »
I did a search for - North Star newspaper 2001 - and got this
https://www.hnmedia.co.uk/newspapers/

Well there you go!  Everything I found pointed to the North Star being out of print.  I've phoned HNM's office in Inverness and they do not keep copies of their own archives, and the woman I spoke to was surprised that Inverness Library cuts off at 1969 but she did say that they send a copy of the paper every week to The National Library and also to the British Library in Boston Spa.

So if anyone has a similar issue, that'll be where to look.

Thank you crisane!

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Ross & Cromarty / Detective work required to identify a newspaper
« on: Thursday 12 August 21 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Morning all,

There's a newspaper article and accompanying photo saved on Ancestry that has been compressed so many times it's nearly unreadable.  I've been trying to find which newspaper it came from so I can 1. get a better copy, and 2. know which newspaper / edition to cite.

I'm hoping that someone will be able to figure it out.  I've typed the article out below for readability, along with a couple of assumptions and where I've already checked.

Quote
50 Years Ago
August 4, 1951
MEET Dingwall's proudest grandfather - Mr Peter Williamson, of 44 Meiklefield Road, an 80-year-old retired horse dealer.  On Sunday, Mr Williamson celebrated the birth of his seventy-fourth grandchild to his son and daughter-in-law, Mr and Mrs Robert Williamson.  A record?  "I'll be surprised if it isn't," he told the North Star on Monday, as he reminisced on the palmy days of yesteryear.  But that is not all of Mr Williamson's descendants.  In addition he has 52 great grandchildren, and 8 great, great grandchildren, all of whom reside in Ross-shire.  A native of Alness, Mr Williamson is the son of the late Isaac Williamson, at one time biggest horse dealer in the country.  He had been married twice and had a family of 14 - four by his first wife, and ten by his second.  Two sons were killed in the First World War and one in the last.  In his youth Mr Williamson went with his parents to America, but returned to his native heath on reaching manhood.  He has a "well-kent" face in Dingwall, where he took up residence on his return[?] eleven years ago.

ASSUMPTIONS
  • The article was originally published circa 4 Aug 1951, then republished as a "lookback" around 4 Aug 2001.
  • Leading on from point one, this would mean the newspaper was most likely in print in both 1951 and 2001.
  • It's clearly aimed at a local audience, so it's more likely a local newspaper.

Because the North Star is mentioned in the article, I checked there first - nothing in the July, August, or September 1951 editions.  Although it went out of print in the 60s, I thought maybe it had been subsumed by another paper.  Turns out it has, by The Ross-shire Journal: nothing in July, Aug, Sep 1951 and nothing for July to October 2001 either but also the typeface used does not match the '50 Years Ago' on the clipping.  Also checked the Highland News, The Inverness Courier, and the Northern Chronicle (all Jul - Sep 1951, and Jul - Sep 2001 for the Courier).

I know it's a longshot but does the combination of the typeface and a '50 Years Ago' feature in a local paper stir any recognition in any of you?  The Ross-shire Journal does (or did?) a 'Reflections' feature, but it's in a different format and I've checked the editions anyway!

Right guys, what am I missing here?  Any suggestions welcome!

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Advice on records pertaining to Episcopal Church clergy
« on: Thursday 22 April 21 17:39 BST (UK)  »
From "A history of the burgh and parish of Ellon, Aberdeenshire," James Godsman, 1958.

The Rev. Nathaniel Grieve, M.A. He was born in 1782, the son of John Grieve, Oldmill, parish of Turriff. In 1803, he graduated at Marischal College, Aberdeen, and in that year was ordained to the charges of Chapelhall and Tillydesk. For a period he was in charge of the congregation at Old Meldrum. In 1806, Mr Grieve married firstly, Miss Ann Pirie of Orchardtown, parish of Udny, and had issue:
John, a clergyman in the Church of England, who died in 1886. Mary, wife of James Wilson, M.D., Staff Surgeon; she died in 1891. Isobel and Helen, who died in childhood.
In 1815, he married secondly, Miss Sophia Robertson, 1790-1862, and had issue:
Alexander, M.D., Fraserburgh; he died in 1891. Nathaniel, M.A. Samuel, M.A., 1831-1895. Jane, married the Very Rev. Alexander Harper, M.A., at St Mary's, Inverurie, and Dean of Aberdeen. Sophia, died 1840. Elizabeth, died 1885. Margaret, and Jane, who died in childhood.
Mr Grieve carried out the plan which Bishop Skinner had much at heart, viz., the uniting of the two charges at Tillydesk and Chapelhall. A new church, built in 1816, at Chapelhall, on the south bank of the River Ythan at Ellon, was opened on Sunday, 28th July, 1816. The chapel was to have been opened by Bishop Skinner, but he died two weeks before this date, and the sermon which he intended using at the consecration, was read by Mr Grieve.
The first chapel at Craighall was a commodious oblong building with a small apse for a sanctuary, in front of which stood the "three decker pulpit,", reading, and clerk's desk, one above the other. The chapel was considered the best in the diocese. In 1862, improvements were made, but its bulging walls and general instability, marked its early demolition. Mr Grieve is described as "a worthy, good man, a good student, who left a valuable library." During his incumbency, Mr Grieve resided at Kinharrachie Lodge, in default of a Rectory at Craighall. In 1863, Mr Grieve retired to Aberdeen, where he died in 1866*, aged 84. He is buried in the Old Churchyard of Ellon, there being no burial ground at Craighall till the present St Mary's-on-the-Rock was built.

*Gravestone says 1863. Godsman sometimes makes errors, so you should always check the facts.

Thanks for this.  This seems to have formed the biggest base of info for the book that Forforian linked also, and you're spot on - both birth and death years are wrong.  But it's the biographical information I was interested in, which it provides so thanks!

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Advice on records pertaining to Episcopal Church clergy
« on: Thursday 22 April 21 13:48 BST (UK)  »
There's a book Scottish Episcopal Clergy, 1689-2000 by David Bertie which should contain a brief biography.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ceey5RQHgHoC&hl=en

Incredible, thank you!

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Aberdeenshire / Advice on records pertaining to Episcopal Church clergy
« on: Thursday 22 April 21 12:14 BST (UK)  »
I have stumbled upon what is possibly the only man of God in my family of heathens and I'm looking for advice!

Does any one have suggestions / advice on what records are available regarding Episcopal Church clergy and where I might find them?  Any and all records of interest to flesh out his story, I would hope that a minister would be reasonably well documented.

The man in question is Reverend Nathaniel Grieve (bap. 5 Jan 1870 - d. 18 Feb 1863).  When he died he was the Minister of the Episcopal Church in Ellon, and his gravestone there says he died in the 60th year of his ministry.

EDIT: I notice that Aberdeen Uni Special Collections have the Episcopal diocese records.  Does anyone know what these entail?

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